LMG are some Shady ass motherfuckers. Look at this shit... ( beehaw.org )

You know, this is some shit that I expect when dealing with some shady asshole on ebay, but LMG?

Bro… Are you ok?

I always wondered if Linus was actually a slimy POS, but this Billet Labs situation has cemented it for me. If you haven’t watched the Gamers Nexus followup video, definitely watch it.

Gamers Nexus - HW News - Linus Tech Tips’ Terrible Response

happyhippo ,

Checkpoint: have you unsubbed? Unsub LTT now.

There’s plenty of good, honest content out there.

Boozilla ,
@Boozilla@beehaw.org avatar

I always wondered if Linus was actually a slimy POS

I believe you. Not everyone on here will, though.

SilentFury ,

I never liked LTT even though my friends do. He always gave off this fucking scumbo vibe to me.

lemmyatom ,

Late to the news but I’m not entirely surprised. As messed up as the situation may seem, I like to remind it’s in everyone’s best interest not to jump on the outrage/cancel train. I do not have any loyalties and find the best way to judge anything is to listen to various outlets prior to constructing my own opinions. LMG f’d up in this instance but that’s not to say that their other content has no value. All these different YouTube channels work in an ecosystem of checks and balances and we need all of them to stick around to provide different perspectives. It is up to the viewers to think for themselves and don’t let the echo chambers of social media cloud your judgement. Whether it’s politics or tech reviews, let’s avoid extremism as nothing is ever black or white.

millie ,

Have you not seen Madison’s tweets yet?

Scary_le_Poo OP ,
@Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org avatar

Yeah, you clearly have not been following along. Linus has already been caught in multiple outright lies.

His treatment of Billet labs alone is enough reason.

He didn’t fuck up in this instance, it has been continual over a long period and in this case he tripled down.

peter ,
@peter@feddit.uk avatar

I’m not really sure how this situation makes linus a “slimey piece of shit”. Incompetent, maybe. Bad at management, sure. Linus probably had no hand in any part until the part where he was told they fucked up. I don’t think there was malice in any part of the exchange, just incompetence.

millie ,

I find his on-air comments on the prototype that he literally was unwilling to test on the card it was designed for pretty slimy. But if that’s not enough for you, how about the way Madison Suop was treated?

sportskeeda.com/…/news-i-told-i-chunky-fat-ugly-s…

peter ,
@peter@feddit.uk avatar

I think his comments about the retesting were poorly thought out but not egregious in my opinion.

I’m not talking about the madison situation, which is pretty bad if true and definitely makes him seem like a bad person if he knew about it.

millie ,

I mean, they sent him a specific card to use it on and he decided to just not do that and instead be as harsh as he could about the fact that he couldn’t get it together to figure out how to mount the thing properly. That tone he gets in his voice when he starts trashing it? That’s cruelty. That’s anger. He’s trying to hurt them and he’s doing it on purpose because he’s a manipulative and emotionally abusive person, and it’s easier to lash out than accept his own mistake.

I’ve dealt with too much of that shit in my own life not to call it out when I get a whiff. Make no mistake, this guy is a mean-spirited, cruel, and callous person.

peter ,
@peter@feddit.uk avatar

I think it’s quite a leap from one thing to say he’s “manipulative and emotionally abusive”. I think he was trashing it with disregard for their feelings but not with the intent of hurting their feelings. Plus, I don’t think he actually wrote the script for that video, no? It could be possible that it was just incompetence and a lack of care/unwillingness to spend the extra time for something that in his opinion was worthless anyway. He probably sees hundreds items from other (usually much larger) companies come and go that aren’t so easily effected by a few months delay on an item being returned, a bit of bad press from a YouTuber or a missing sample. What is easier to believe: that Linus lost sight of what’s important in persuit of his own goals and didn’t stop to think about how it might effect companies smaller than his - or that he is secretly emotionally abusive and carefully calculated an attack on this specific company for having the gall to send him a prototype?

Metal_Zealot , (edited )
@Metal_Zealot@lemmy.ml avatar

Linus’ fan base allegedly drove a little boy to suicide, and the mother subsequently took her own life as well.

Zuberi ,

:(

Scary_le_Poo OP ,
@Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org avatar

Holy fucking shit 😳

NaoPb ,
@NaoPb@beehaw.org avatar

This got dark fast.

R.I.P. mother and son.

teawrecks ,

Wonder how those same fans would react to the opportunity to cancel Linus 🤔.

moomoomoo309 ,
@moomoomoo309@programming.dev avatar

And LMG was supposed to do what about that? I get they’ve been shitty recently, but how can you blame them for the actions of their fans? They didn’t tell their fans to do any of that stuff, they’ve told their fans to not do it on the past multiple times, what should they have done?

flashgnash ,

Damn this is really sad to see for the longest time LMG was one of the few companies I actually liked and trusted

LordXenu ,

The channel was much better when they were in the house and the backups were stored on a toilet.

gunpachi ,

Ah I remember the good old days.

taaz ,

Oh and it seems this is not all of it, an ex-employee came out on twitter about sexual harassment, extremely bad work conditions and so much more.
The timing of it is weird to say at least but there’s a lot.

BlueBockser ,

The fact that these allegations come in quick succession is rather logical, I’d say. It’s much harder to come out against someone who is a generally beloved public figure, so when the allegations finally start, many people see their chance to have their voice be taken seriously.

Vinnyboiler ,
@Vinnyboiler@feddit.uk avatar

It’s been repeatedly proven that large companies get a impenetrable wall of armour based on fear of speaking out due to fear of retribution or breaking an important connection. Once that wall is broken it allows grievances to finally pass though.

pollen ,

It’s like a dam.

Skiptrace ,

But yet… Emily (Formerly Anthony) came out as trans, and… Everyone was cool with it and endorsed it. So… What’s actually true?

We need more maturation of these stories.

nodiet ,

You know people can harass women or be dicks to their coworkers/subordinates and not be transphobic, right? Also, as of 2022, about 65 people work at Linus tech tips. Saying “Everyone was cool with it and endorsed it” is a bit of a broad statement to make.

TheRtRevKaiser Mod ,
@TheRtRevKaiser@beehaw.org avatar

Please don’t deadname trans people, folks can figure out from context if you just say “Emily from LTT came out as trans”.

cole ,
@cole@lemdro.id avatar

I don’t mean to stir up anything, this is entirely respectful (remove this if it isn’t, no worries), but it is useful for someone who knew who someone named “Anthony” was, despite the fact that they don’t exist anymore. I guess it doesn’t matter, but I immediately was able to understand who they were talking about since I didn’t know she had transitioned. Is there a better way to approach providing this context?

Gaywallet ,
@Gaywallet@beehaw.org avatar

There’s a million different ways, most trans people don’t immediately change their last name so you can use that. Or you can refer to something that Emily did to provide context. I’m sure if you stop and think about it, you can figure out a few more ways too.

At the end of the day it’s not about making it easier for you to understand what’s going on at the expense of disrespecting her. She’s asking for you to use her name, so stop calling her something else.

cole ,
@cole@lemdro.id avatar

Thanks, I appreciate this clarification and the different perspective is helpful. I can see why I should prioritize her well-being over my ease-of-reference. I’ll be sure to avoid this in the future

Skiptrace ,

I can’t expect everyone to know who that is. Especially here where people tend to avoid Twitter which was their platform of choice to reveal to the wider internet. And Emily hasn’t been on any LTT videos since transitioning, so I don’t exactly know how people would get context without what I said.

uninvitedguest ,
@uninvitedguest@lemmy.ca avatar

Maybe I came to the channel late, after it’s prime, but I have never seen the value of LTT & affiliates.

The review videos have seemed sub par when cross checking against multiple reviewers.

The entertainment videos felt cringey even when they covered a subject I was interested in (PlayStation dev kits, other obscure tech)

It was a quick unsubscribe when I felt my time was getting wasted.

Barky ,

I’m with you here. That channel and Linus have always just seemed like clickbait clowns to me, felt scummy

ulkesh ,
@ulkesh@beehaw.org avatar

Yep, agreed in full.

GreenMario ,

Outside of blatant click bait my issue with the channels is once it starts getting interesting, the video is over. Ever played RAGE1? Like that ending. (Credits roll when you think act 3 is about to start)

I’d feel their videos would be better with 10 more minutes of content and slow the fuck down on making so many videos. Why the fuck they have 7 channels?

DragonTypeWyvern ,

God, I forgot about Rage.

Longest tech demo ever.

AceFuzzLord ,
@AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee avatar

Don’t know why, but the image is not loading on my end. Anyone got a link to it on a different platform?

Gingernate ,

It’s just text, I copied it for you

June 30: “Let me know if you’d like the block back either way. And we can ship it back with the 3090 Ti.” July 6: "We’ll send back the Monoblock and 3090T

July 12: “The block and the 3090 Ti should be sent sometime next

week.”

July 30: LTX Extra Life Auction featuring Billet block ends

Early August: "So, there was a communication mishap and we ended up

auctioning off the Monoblock in silent auction for charity at LTX. The

good news, is that it isn’t just sitting on a shelf."

  • Linus Media Group to Billet Labs
dog , (edited )

Mate, you should never think an online influencer/store is on your side. They’re not.

Not even Steve from Gamer’s Nexus is your friend.

Can you still practice safe exchange with them? Yes, just be informed of your rights.

Edit/addition: Didn’t check the link. Thought this was about the last drama.

This addresses new issues, and it’s important to solve those issues.

I feel like when Linus was still CEO, he made too many choices too fast, and that’s caused the situation LMG is in now.

They have to rush content to get bills paid in time.

An extremely impulsive CEO is never good.

peter ,
@peter@feddit.uk avatar

I’ve always held the opinion that any celebrity or influencer or whatever is absolutely fucked up in some way. You just have to hope they’re fucked in some way that is relatively harmless

gens ,

Imma go ask Steve if he wants to be my friend.

dog ,

Well to be fair, he’ll probably agree over a longer contact period, albeit it doesn’t seem he has a lot of free time.

gens ,

Yea, if even 1% of their fan base were to send them a message ot would be spam for days. Even if they weren’t doing anything else it would be too much.

Still wish him all the best.

NaoPb ,
@NaoPb@beehaw.org avatar

Good idea. i’ll do the same.

Auzy ,

At least with Steve I get the general impression he genuinely cares about people and what he does. He also seems like a genuinely nice person

Whereas for Linus, it has felt for a while that he is basically just a business person who does this because it’s profitable (I think he used to care though).

dog ,

You can care about people as a proxy of doing PR over the thing you like to do.

Not saying he’s an asshole or anything; people just need to stop having these weird as fuck personal relationships with online personalities whom they don’t even actually know.

But yeah, Linus used to care more, but it was years ago when he started saying he’ll stop being CEO soon. Started piling up from back then to where it is now.

Tl;dr: frustrations, inability to do the thing he wanted, high commercial pressure, family, impulsiveness (New houses, new cars, new projects while there were multiple still in progress or not even started), etc. Lost sight of what he was doing, and what he wanted.

Maybe that’ll slowly improve with new CEO, and the projects he started finishing.

jordanlund ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.one avatar

No idea what any of this means so I found this:

knowyourmeme.com/…/gamers-nexus-vs-linus-tech-tip…

hemko ,

Knowyourmeme>wikipedia

mojo ,

Must nice to have all that time to care about YouTuber drama

Scary_le_Poo OP ,
@Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org avatar

Honestly I could care less if it was just YouTuber drama. The reason I care and the reason it makes me so angry is because Billet labs is just a couple of guys trying to make a product. They aren’t some big company or anything like that, it’s just a couple guys working on a passion project. But then Mr Big money YouTube star does literally everything wrong, doesn’t even bother to use the product properly, and proceeds to take a giant dump all over Billet labs.

Yeah, I’m going to be a little pissed off about that. Not because I care about some whiny bitch on YouTube but because I feel for the poor guys who got dragged through the mud and our potentially going to take a massive hit in their business once they finalize their product.

Nucelar ,

I am not defending LTT. They are innthe wrong.
But they sent a unfinished product to one of the most influencial tech youtubers, say that a couple of times and you realize it was naive.
There is many people working on prototypes right now that we do not know off. Because they are prototypes, not products. They played and got burnt. Again, LTT did wrong with them still.

SugarApplePie ,
@SugarApplePie@beehaw.org avatar

With how bad it is to send an unfinished product to a reviewer, the reviewer could at the very least use the right equipment to fairly review it. If it’s such a terrible idea it surely doesn’t need the additional help of rushed incompetence to highlight any flaws in the product.

jarfil ,
@jarfil@beehaw.org avatar

LTT have made tons of videos with prototype CPUs, GPUs, and preproduction versions of pretty much any other hardware one can imagine. I don’t think it’s naive to send such a reviewer that kind of hardware.

What LTT has done though in this case, with the making of the video, misplacing the GPU, selling the prototype, then the attempts at coverup and shifting blame… is beyond pathetic.

mooncabbage ,

You literally are defending LTT. None of what you said makes sense. So what if it’s a prototype? They were given instructions and other information and either due to negligence or complete disregard, they did everything wrong, gave an misinformed bad review, then gave the product away after saying they would be returning it. They have further excused themselves of wrong doing by saying it was for charity and given away at an auction and they didn’t sell it. They have refused responsibility and growth at every step of the way. This is also a pattern of behavior and is not just this one instance.

LoamImprovement ,

Look, I can’t say that I don’t understand the sentiment, but people calling YouTubers out on their bullshit is strictly better than ‘Nobody ever cares about anything outside of their 60 hour a week jobs that they work to pay for an overinflated cost of living in this hypercapitalist dystopia hellscape that they don’t have the emotional capacity to care about because of said 60 hour a week jobs.’

I want to hear about this because it means somebody still cares, somebody is still paying attention to the injustice, however trivial or removed from daily life it is.

DJDarren ,

It’s not just “YouTuber drama” though; LTT have positioned themselves as The Grand Knowledge on all things tech, so a good number of people turn to them for recommendations. And their recommendations are questionable.

ultratiem ,
@ultratiem@lemmy.ca avatar

Grand knowledge? I’ve never seen a single one of their videos that told me anything I didn’t already know about a tech item.

Mostly they make super edgelord cringe thumbnails and generally just have an idiots approach to the work they do by breaking things (the famous iMac Pro incident) or approaching things with the grace of a baby elephant.

He’s the computer guy for the 14 year old. It’s wild that the internet looks to them for anything other than shitty low effort product reviews and yammering on about whatever to fill up podcasts.

acastcandream ,

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    ultratiem ,
    @ultratiem@lemmy.ca avatar

    Trump became the president of a nation. Hitler had record levels of approval. So does Kim.

    “Popularity” means nothing in this day and age. I mean, let’s go ask the Logan bros.

    lowleveldata ,

    We all have to find something that’s entertaining to us, no? If you don’t, you deserve some

    lemann ,

    Hexbear Bait Emoji.

    mobyduck648 ,
    @mobyduck648@beehaw.org avatar

    To be fair I follow Reddit drama occasionally I’m in no position to criticise.

    nan ,
    @nan@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    The first post I saw about this I thought was something to do with Linus Torvalds because people are just assuming everyone has the same context.

    jarfil ,
    @jarfil@beehaw.org avatar

    We get it, you don’t know who LTT is or their relevance. You can ask directly if you want to learn.

    mojo ,

    you’ve been stalking my profile and like replied to me on 5 different posts

    jarfil ,
    @jarfil@beehaw.org avatar

    Projecting much? Don’t worry, I’ll block you right now.

    mooncabbage ,

    1: Maybe you could maybe like not have an attitude towards people doing what they want with their free time? People are allowed to enjoy different things from you and if you don’t like it why comment at all? Just move along. 2: This isn’t just youtube drama, this is a very large company with a lot of pull hurting other smaller up and coming companies, lying, being shady, and it should be called out. This company influences decisions and needs to be held accountable for theft at this point as well.

    Moonrise2473 ,

    Wait they sent a 3090 too? Why Linus tried it with a different GPU then?

    EvilColeslaw ,
    @EvilColeslaw@beehaw.org avatar

    Because they’re a disorganized clusterfuck and he couldn’t be bothered to slightly delay filming to get the proper card. Because for whatever reason they’ve decided they must churn out content at such a high pace that everything they do is like this now.

    Honestly the only videos from the last year where I remember things not being totally jank were videos with Emily, but she’s barely been in anything since coming out a few months ago.

    nerdschleife ,
    @nerdschleife@lemm.ee avatar

    Emily to GN!

    asexualchangeling ,

    Honestly I hope that Emily recovers from this, couldn’t care less about ltt itself anymore though

    QHC ,
    @QHC@kbin.social avatar

    I would be happy with Emily and Alex starting their own channels. Maybe Dan can join one of them and make the dryest jokes possible. That's all I really watch for, anyway.

    snooggums ,
    @snooggums@kbin.social avatar

    The reason they do shady atuff to avoid delays so they can churn out content at such a high pace is money.

    EddoWagt ,

    Yeah Emily’s content was absolutely the best, very knowledgeable and informative. Hope to see more of her in the future

    redcalcium ,

    Because they lost the GPU, I kid you not.

    echodot ,

    The logistics team is like four people and they have a gigantic warehouse of mess. They sometimes show it in videos, I’m surprised they can find anything.

    The thing I don’t get about them is they keep going on about how they want to do all this professional grade testing. Ok cool, but that requires careful planning, and that does not go long well with their 10 million videos a day at any and all costs policy that they are currently pursuing.

    Appoxo ,

    The company I work at has an almost identical type of chaos and a good chunk of colleagues going in, taking something and not informing it was taken until we do inventory and have 30k of stock missing in some corner someone forgot to count.

    We are currently in the process of doing it but we are only ~15 heads, 6 of which are currently not on holiday, we as 1st/2nd level helpdesk need to support our customers and it’s just a mess.

    Now multiply that by the many employees has and how fast it needs to process it and I am kinda surprised how they havent folded yet in that regard alone.

    Gormadt ,
    @Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    People seem to constantly underestimate how important logistics and inventory tracking really is

    I work in the freight industry and I’m constantly finding shit that isn’t labeled properly, packaged properly, or even put on the correct trailer. And that’s just me as one dude on a loading dock with about 150 doors and about 40 people buzzing around on forklifts.

    Literally last month I found half a dozen pallets ranging in cost from $1000 - $75000 that had been pushed deep into a storage area that freight isn’t supposed to be near and had been misplaced over a year prior.

    The only reason I found them was because I was investigating trying to find a pallet worth almost $200,000 that someone had misplaced the day before. It was in that area as well.

    jordanlund ,
    @jordanlund@lemmy.one avatar

    My guy, you deserve some kind of bonus!

    It’s weird how people don’t care about things… I was asked to make a report of open accounts from the database for the sales team, which I did.

    They didn’t ask me to filter the data, so I made them a 2nd report, open accounts who had not done business with us year to date, had no problems with payment history, and had open lines of credit.

    Over a million dollars in open credit from good customers just… you know… sitting there.

    remotelove ,

    I have seen a ton of LMG videos and it’s very obvious that Linus doesn’t handle conflict very well and will just immediately dig his heels in if he feels that he is in the right.

    Here is the way I see it: Regardless of who is right or wrong, this is a series of unfortunate events that happened. Small mistakes or misjudgments don’t always show themselves immediately. However, give it enough time and the floodgates will open and expose everything all at once, for better or for worse. When this happens to people who truly intended no malice, it’s a fuck of a thing to deal with and usually gets worse before it gets better.

    When all of your mistakes are gathered in one place for everyone to see all at once it can seem much worse than it actually is.

    Am I justifying the actions of LMG? Hell no! They need to fix their issues immediately only because they have such a large fan base that listen to their every word.

    Regardless, I have sympathy for them.

    https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/b78e33c4-b40d-4685-957c-2bd5a7b5a9d2.jpeg

    excel ,
    @excel@lemmy.megumin.org avatar

    These are not “mistakes”, these are willfully evil acts.

    I’m just going to quote another comment here:

    Billet Labs sent their best prototype (as in, the only one they had) to LMG for review. Linus proceeded to strap it to a video card where it didn’t fit, so bad that there was a 1mm gap (which might as well be a million miles when you’re talking about cooling). Of course the performance sucked due to it being strapped to a card it wasn’t designed to fit, linus trashed the block and the company. And here’s the part that just fucks me off. Billet Labs SENT THEM THE CORRECT CARD WITH THE BLOCK! There is literally no valid excuse for putting it on the wrong card, Billet Labs sent them the correct one!!!

    Combine that with the image in the OP, and there’s just no excuse. These are not the actions of someone that “intends no malice”. This is not an “accident”. This is not a “learning opportunity”. This is not a “mistake”. This is a person doing everything in their power to selfishly extract every dime they can from both their viewers and this startup.

    They intentionally lied to the viewers because trashing a product gets more views. They intentionally lied to the startup because they got more money from selling the prototype.

    They do not deserve any sympathy.

    remotelove ,

    And that is totally fair.

    aleph , (edited )
    @aleph@lemm.ee avatar

    Except this “series of unfortunate events” appears to be entirely self-inflicted.

    We’re not talking about a couple of hobbyists making YT videos in their spare time; LTT/LMG are by this point a huge media content factory whose unrelenting drive to produce the next hot slice of monetized infotainment means they are making constant (and often quite large) errors and not giving these products the time and attention required to assess them properly.

    If you have the time, Gamer Nexus’ initial video critique where they matter-of-factly listed all the reasons why LTT need to seriously reevaluate how they do business is a very interesting watch.

    youtu.be/FGW3TPytTjc?t=99

    Edit: wow, it seems to have finally sunk in - LTT posted this video not two hours after I posted my comment.

    (Piped link because apparently the apology video is monetized 😑) :

    piped.mha.fi/watch?v=0cTpTMl8kFY

    lowleveldata ,

    If they are not willing to learn from their mistakes then no I have no sympathy for them. How hard is it to just double check your shit before putting it under public eyes?

    SterlingVapor ,

    They made a bunch of mistakes that were callous and might’ve smothered a couple guys starting out.

    But then the lack of empathy - “it was a bad product, no one should ever buy it, and so my fundamentally flawed testing is actually valid”, “yeah they asked for it back multiple times and we auctioned it, but it was for charity so it’s fine”, “we agreed to compensate them, but it’s been months and we did that real quick after we got called out, but we’re going to make it seem like we didn’t need a scandal to do the bare minimum”

    It’s all excuses, it’s all justification for why “this looks worse than it is, and actually we’re still the good guys”. It’s narcissist mental gymnastics, he still just doesn’t understand what he did wrong - besides being mostly excuses, every “apology” is totally off base on what they did wrong

    dark_stang , (edited )
    @dark_stang@beehaw.org avatar

    This incident has made me reevaluate some things. I could see this being a one off thing. Like an inventory error or a communication error. But the rebuttal was wild. Cancelled my floatplane subscription for now. Maybe they’ll turn it around down the road, but this one was a big mess up.

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