All seasons with a tiny sidewall = bad news pretty much anywhere but pavement.
Although I do think Tesla needs to work on their traction control system to better mimic having locked differentials after seeing the hill climb video from a few weeks ago. This should be able to be performed via an OTA update though.
I've seen them in the wild, I live in the bay area. They look worse than in the pictures. The brushed steel catches every speck of dirt and oil. It's like they're driving a damn crock-pot.
What a garbage article. Elon sucks, the cyber truck sucks, but an article about tweets is less than worthless.
Perhaps the article instead of assuming elon just "didn't have time to run tesla properly", should dig a bit deeper and demonstrate that tesla was successful despite elon, not because of elon. Same with Space-X or Star-link.
Now as far as why the cyber truck is getting stuck in snow, tires is the low-effort answer, but maybe look at the weight of the truck versus the contact area. Maybe look at how the traction control system works? How about whether the car is front wheel bias vs rear-wheel biased. Does it make assumptions about which wheels have contact to the ground? Does it have a differential or are all 4 wheels independently controlled? (I don't know the answer to any of these by the way, but if I were concerned about a vehicle getting stuck in the snow, I'd certainly want an analysis that addresses all of the above.)
Snow is 90% about tires. Proper snow tires make a dramatic difference. I'm sure any other truck would get stuck in the same place. They have MUCH poorer weight distribution.
From another thread on this topic, I've learned that apparently the cybertruck uses custom tires that are the only ones that fit on the stock wheels. In other words, if you want tires that function properly in the snow you've got to replace the wheels themselves, too.
If you're getting a separate set of winter tires you're going to need another set of wheels anyway. I mean you could have them switched to the same wheels and be rebalanced twice a year but I don't know anyone who does that. Here everyone simply just has two sets of wheels.
I mean, it's a large American pickup truck. We all know that it's only a matter of time before those rims are replaced with polished aluminum trashcans
Lol no, I drive a 2011 GMC Serria 2500HD in rural Michigan, USA and my truck would have no problem going up that. In fact my driveway goes up a hill that is far taller than the one shown and most of the time I don't even have to turn on 4 wheel drive. I don't even have snow tires as my all terrains work just fine (as a former autotech I do highly recommend snow tires though). For the weight distribution, yes, but that's also why we throw weight in the bed over the rear axle which solves that real easy.
The problem with the cyber truck is it was designed by people who don't use trucks for a techbro demographic who don't need trucks.
Egh, looks like the facebook crowd has come to Lemmy.
Wrong tires.. It's that simple..
I hate Elon as much as the rest of us, but this reads like it's written by the Anti-EV crowd. All it needs is an ad for a Dodge RAM at the bottom.. And, I don't particularly find the cybertruck (or any large truck), appealing at all tbh
I can put the wrong tires on my jeep too, and skid off the road when its wet.. Not everywhere needs snow tyres (here in Australia, they would be useless), and I'd be guessing they're less efficient too?
Also, I'm not really sure how it works with deep snow (since I'm here in Australia), but wouldn't snowchains help as an alternative? Or can you not use them on EV's?.. Or do they not work with deep snow?
Not anti-EV crowd, just anti-Elon. I hate him as much as anyone else but people just throw absolutely any rationale out the window when it comes to anything he's involved with (especially around here).
I've seen several leftists at this point straight up turn their backs on EVs and literally start parroting conservative propaganda about them. So sad.
Disagree. EVs only environmental advantage is tail-pipe emissions. But they are significantly worse for society then tail-pipe emissions are. Being heavier damages the road more, and causes more tire and brake wear. Proprietary batteries mean that they are thrown away more often then gas cars. More limited range means that more car infrastrucutre is required to support them.
At the end of the day, the limited-taxes we have in the US that discourage driving, EVs are allowed to side-step, so from a societal point of view, EVs are absolutely worse in everyway (except trivial tail-pipe emissions). If you are a leftist who has to drive a car, an EV wouldn't even be a viable option. You'd be better off in a hybrid.
Have you read about the actual environmental costs and material extraction needed for electric cars? EVs are about saving the auto industry when gas runs out. Not about saving the environment.
The conservative parroting usually takes a sliver of truth and runs with it while tacking on other bullshit to make it seem legit. The "anything to own the libs" is part of that dogma, but pushing a con is easier with a twisted truth to lead the bigger lies.
EV's can also act as a VPP and feed power back into the grid too, stabilising it. Yeah.. Those blackouts you guys claim are ALWAYS coming? EV's can actually help with that..
Also, Sodium Ion Batteries just got released, which is a huge step up (more environmentally friendly), and Solid State batteries are getting closer and closer.
Also, batteries get recycled. So yes, those big heavy batteries, are reused, by future batteries (which are likely more efficient). We're only at the start of Lithium batteries too. Lithium air has made huge developments recently. lithium Air is 5000-11000Wh/kg vs Lithium Ion 300wh/kg. So, with the same weight, that means a future Lithium air based car could have 16x-30x more range (and we have plenty of lithium here in Australia). Or, 16x smaller batteries (which due to lower curb weight, would be amazingly efficient). And, future EV's will likely be more modular too
Unless you're proposing I ride my bike 60km per day for work? I also do lots of hiking, so, do you propose they run a trainline to the middle of forests? Or do I not hike anymore?
But judging by the fact you have posts unhappy with the Nazi salute being declared illegal, I'm going to say this is typical right-wing facebook BS
re: nazi salute, you don't understand the purpose of the legislation, it has nothing to do with "nazis," it's purpose is to silence dissent, the nazi excuse is so sheeple like you support it unconditionally.
Similar to EVs. Their purpose is to ensure car development can continue and idiots like you don't realize that the problem with cars has nothing to do with what powers them. Why do you think you live 60km away from work with no public transit? Because cars force you to.
I live in Australia where they were banned. There were literally neo Nazis publicly being Nazis trying to make others feel unwelcome and feel like they were in danger. Nazi symbols have been banned in Germany for ages (which should tell you something). If you want to make up some weird conspiracy theory like they're playing 4d chess, good for you. People like me also got sick of reporting Nazi shit to councils after they took pt to get home and acted like hateful dickheads. I guess you want to keep burning crosses and the kkk legal too eh? Guys like me get sick of removing Nazi stickers though
The location where I live has nothing to do with cars. Work is located in a more expensive place to live. And even if I move, should I tell my family I can't see them anymore because they don't live close enough to me?
Again, I do hiking (I actually operate a hiking group). You've skipped that comment because your argument doesn't sound great when you start telling people they can't go outdoors anymore.
The problem with cars isn't that they exist. It's that too many clowns are buying big cars they don't need, and they need to be designed to be more repairable/modular. More public transport is definitely needed though, and more density of population.. But some people like me (even ignoring work) will continue to need a vehicle to get around. I also think emergency services will be more efficient with a car eh
Battery technology will rapidly catch up. The first big changes have already just come (sodium ion) which is already a step forward. If lithium air happens, it will be a game changer
Also, I received an award for graduating top 5 people in state in one of my high school subjects.. So honestly, I suspect I'm not a total idiot like you claim.
Chains are only useful if there’s snow compacted onto the road (like in a lot of mountainous areas). Winter tires are useful because they stay softer in cold weather, while summer tires get hard as a rock below a certain temp, turning your car (or cybertruck in this case) into a sled. There are also studded snow tires, but they’re useless or even dangerous on roads with no snow.
Yeah ok.. So, there isn't really much that could be done in this case except use Winter tyres anyway? If so, that makes this article seem even more silly I'm guessing?
Without knowing specifics about the cybertruck, it’s hard to say. Another factor could be that the tires are too wide, which would prevent them from cutting through the snow to make contact with the road. There could be other factors, like traction control freaking out and locking up the wheels, AWD issues, driver error. I just don’t know enough about the CT to make an educated guess. Tires are probably the most common reason for something like this though.
Good tires prevent you from sinking down into the snow in the first place. You can have 5 feet of ground clearance but that doesn't help you in 6 feet of snow.
I imagine deep snow is very similar to sand where you want the largest contact patch possible in order to float on the surface. Here we have some dunes that you can offroad in and tour companies take busses full of people out there but they use gigantic tires that look like donut shaped balloons and perform decently even though they're low powered and incredibly heavy.
The Delorean might've been fine if they hadn't tried to build it in Northern Ireland during the Troubles and if John Delorean hadn't been entrapped with drug trafficking charges. Musk doesn't have those excuses.
They do but the tires are specifically made for Cybertruck and the hubcaps lock in with the tire. If you buy a different set of tires they fit the wheels just fine but the hubcaps no longer do. It just affect aesthetics and probably aerodynamics.
I see Jersey schmucks up here with their pavement princess trucks getting stuck in the snow all the time. I see locals in a Corolla or fiesta or other tiny light car make it just fine in deep snow. One of my bosses at the ski mountain used to drive a mini Cooper an hour to work every day.
skill? sometimes. the fact that those corollas and mini coopers only weigh a fraction of those huge trucks probably has something to do with it, too...
but they have much larger, heavier engines and drivetrains.
a ford f-150 weighs about 4,500 lbs (minimum). a dodge ram weighs about 4,750 lbs (minimum)-- these are without any outrigging which can almost double the weight.
a corolla and a mini weigh about 3,000 lbs. a ford fiesta weighs about 2,750 lbs.
those are pretty big differences (to start) which can get bigger depending on the configuration of the truck.
They are heavy but the weight distribution isn't even and most trucks are 4x4/RWD which is what leads to the issues you're alluding to. The rear tires can't propel the vehicle because there's not enough weight over them in the rear compared to the weight of the front.
Weight and weight distribution are both important, but a pickup will usually perform better in snow with more weight, like 500 lbs of sand in the bed usually does the trick.
How you apply power to the road surface is also very important. Not enough weight and you will just spin tires. Break too aggressively and you lock up. Pedal to the floor and your tires are spinning. Overcorrect your turns when you start to slide and you'll never get back straight.
My car is a little older and actually drives better in snow with the traction control off.
Skinnier tires are actually better in snow because they can dig down to the ground somewhat and find traction there. Wide tires tend to float on top of the snow because of the larger contract patch (but not enough to stay above it, that requires huge, under-inflated-balloon-like tires like what you'd need on an antarctic expedition)
Nah it's more of a weight distribution issue. Pickup trucks in general are terrible at this. Engine, cab, transmission, basically everything is over the front axle but they are rear wheel drive.
Growing up my mom lived on one of the biggest hills in a town that was basically all hills. She remembers when it snowed they'd watch all kinds of cars and trucks get stuck trying to make it up that hill, and then watch a guy in a little VW beetle go right up the hill like it was nothing, perfectly happy will of that engine weight right over the rear drive wheels.
Years later I'm a new driver borrowing my parents's cars, a '93 RWD ranger, and a '92 Buick century, and that comparison did a good job of driving home how much difference that weight distribution matters. The ranger had some pretty good grippy tires, but without any weight in the bed, it didn't take much to make those wheels spin. The buick, on the other hand, handled snow beautifully, it had all the weight of that big boat-like front end over those front drive wheels, never once struggled to find traction, the only limiting factor was that it sat pretty low to the ground so it didn't take too much snow before that front end was just trying it's damnedest to plow through snow. If some mad scientist ever thought to lift an old Buick a few inches, I'm pretty confident that 4wd/AWD would become all but obsolete.
One of the most satisfying things for me is driving my wife's little Mirage in the snow. With normal all season tires it does great, with proper snow tires it's completely unstoppable - that is, until you need to stop.
It turns out that accelrating and stopping a 2,000 pound car on ice and snow is easier than it is with a 4,000 pound vehicle.