It's free the same way that Sublime Text is: They'll ask for a payment once a month, but you can say you're "evaluating it" and use it for free. If you like it enough, you can pay for it. I have.
The first teams was written in AngularJS (which is a slow to run resource hog, but fast to develop) wrapped in Electron. It was kind of a minimum viable product, just to build something quickly to get some feedback and stats on what people needed.
The plan was to build a new native version of teams and build it into the next windows while having an web fallback (built on react) for everyone else.
They stopped working on the original teams and started working on the new versions.
They got half-way through working on the native and react versions when suddenly, covid happened.
They couldn't keep working on the new versions because they wouldn't be ready for a while, so they had to go back and resume development on the old one, introducing patch after patch to quickly get more features in there (like more than 2 webcam streams per call).
Eventually covid subsided and they were able to resume development on the new teams versions.
Windows 11 launched with a native teams version (which has less features but runs super quick), and the new react based teams (which can now be downloaded in a webview2 wrapper) has been in open beta since late last year (if you've seen the "Try the new Teams" toggle, then you've seen this). The React+Webview2 teams will replace the AngularJS+Electron version as the default on July 7th.
The windows 11 teams runs better, but if you're using a school or work account, you need to use the old AngularJS+Electron version, or the new React+Webview2 version.
So for the time being, the Windows 11 teams is more catered for personal use only. It's kind of like a modern reboot of Microsoft's old MSN Messenger. It was included in Windows 11 (rebranded as "Chat") but it's been unbundled from Windows 11 installs and I think rebranded again. But not having the school/work account support means not a lot of people use it.
The transition between the AngularJS+Electron version and the React+Webview2 versions is happening now. At some point soon, anyone who is running an OS too old to run the new teams will be forced to use the browser version.
So after their transition, we'll have to wait and see if they add the school/work account support to the native version because everyone using teams right now only uses those accounts.
Suppose we have a large to-do task manager app with many features. Say we have an entity, which is the task, and it has certain fields like: title, description, deadline, sub-tasks, dependencies, etc. This entity is used in many parts of our codebase....
You mean a whole different window at the OS level?
Yes, that way I could switch between windows in a single shortcut, or even place them side by side so I can see both at the same time with other shortcuts.
That’s just a way inferior hack to the way vim does it by default.
Can you explain this more?
Why wouldn't you want window management to be managed by the window manager?
I linked to the anchor where it says that, right to the bottom of the section 4.3. Will people just STOP saying JavaScript was 'never intended' to have 'nothing to do with Java'? They clearly meant JavaScript to be to Java what AWK is to C, at least syntax-wise. I was born one year after JS was conceived (the standard says...
You can take the contents of a C file, put it into a C++ file and there's an 80% chance it will work without modification, and 15% of the incompatibility will be just sticking a type on your pointer instead of using void pointers (untyped pointers), or in newer code switching the restrict keyword for one of C++'s newer pointers.
As someone who spends time programming, I of course find myself in conversations with people who aren't as familiar with it. It doesn't happen all the time, but these discussions can lead to people coming up with some pretty wild misconceptions about what programming is and what programmers do....
We have a half finished skyscraper, and you're asking me to Just add a new basement between the second and third floor. Do you see how that might be difficult? If we want to do it, we have to tear down the entire building floor by floor, then build up again from the second floor. Are you prepared to spend the money and push back the release date for that new feature?
Pulsar (former Atom) is still the best code editor in my opinion. It is easiest and fastest to use, has all the nice productivity boosting plugins and is overall great for all the same reasons the Atom was great. 🚀...
Space-f lets you open a file in the current workspace, and :open /path always let’s you open any file on the computer
Is this a file tree, or just a fuzzy finder?
Fuzzy finders aren't a substitute for a file tree picker. They're only great, until you don't know the name of a file, or until you need to know of a file's existence in the first place.
JS has confusing behavior, not undefined behavior. Its specs are well defined and backwards compatible to a fault, making some things unintuitive and harder to learn if you don't learn the history of the language.
Problems with both should be avoided by learning and using standard practices. (Don't pretend C is object oriented, always use === instead of == in js, etc...)
In complete agreement:
Result types are awesome, all future languages should be designed around them.
you have to fix the indentation because if not then the document won’t work or mean something completely different
Whitespace has no meaning in json. You can indent however you want, or not at all.
I'm assuming you're running into issues because you're writing json in a yaml file which does care about indentation, and you're only writing json in yaml to get access to comments.
In which case it circles back around to: why not use toml? Whitespace formatting doesn't corrupt the file, and it has built in comments.
DOM attributes are built for browsers and frameworks to take advantage of.
The style of some of those frameworks to stick symbols in there is downright weird. But that only goes against those particular frameworks. It doesn’t impact how good DOM attributes actually are.
Every use-case I can think about is already well supported by vanilla css/js without libraries or frameworks. (not including really out-there use-cases like game engines or image editors)
Use CSS animations everywhere you can, but if you need to be able to hook into an animation (to dynamically change the speed, cancel something, sync animations together, etc…) you should be using the Animation API.
I was trying to do a memory test to see how far back 3.5 could recall information from previous prompts, but it really doesn’t seem to like making pseudorandom seeds. 😆
Why can’t it play it? Because LLM’s don’t have memory, so they can’t work with logic. They are the same as the little “next word predictor” in your phone’s keyboard. It just says what it thinks is the most probable next word based on previous words, it’s not actually thinking or understanding anything. So instead, we get moves that don’t make sense or are completely invalid.
Pretty much the subject line. uBO has successfully blocked the nag screen enough times that I can’t play anything at this point. No preview loads, and the play button serves no function. I’d really prefer not to have to find content on YT, copy the URL and use Piped/Invidious, but this ongoing escalation is steeling my...
Specifically, do you worry that Microsoft is going to eventually do the Microsoft thing and horribly fuck it up for everyone? I’ve really grown to appreciate the language itself, but I’m wary of it getting too ingrained at work only to have the rug pulled out from under us when it’s become hard to back out....
deno run hello.ts (time taken to run command: 0.037s)
[…] 3 different ways of specifying the files and settings you want to use […] 3 incompatible ways to define and use a “module”
Yes, that tends to happen as ecosystems evolve over time. Typescript allows developers to use modern standards-compliant modules, while maintaining backwards compatibility for older code.
embracing duck typing means […]
One of typescript’s strengths is that its type system isn’t all or nothing. Typescript will support duck typers, but it isn’t forced or limited to that. You can add as much or as little typing as you want. In theory, this means that the language supports simple beginners up to experts creating turing-complete theorem solvers at compile time. In practice, this means a much smoother onboarding and porting experience.
Have a “generalized fibonacci” module taking 3 inputs […]
I’m not sure if this is the basic problem challenge or the hello world example was. It seems a bit ambiguous as to what you really want, but it’s easy to create a module that takes inputs and produces outputs while running on backend servers, in browsers, and in CLIs.
It sounds like to me that you’ve taken your knowledge of your commonly used languages for granted, and assumed a new language would be just as easy. But if you watch a developer who is dipping their toe into that ecosystem for the first time you’ll find them making mistakes and running into footguns you didn’t know were possible.
Regardless of the language, not having a proper guide leaves devs susceptible to the incorrect blogospam that’s out there, where engagement is rewarded over correctness.
Ignore all of the blogospam.
The two things you need to know:
C/C++/Java/Go/Python have all gone through changes, growth and churn just like JS.
Knowing the history of the ecosystem will go a long way towards helping you. If you understand why things have changed, then you’ll know how to ignore the bad advice out there.
Here’s my shortened version of number 2.
The beginning:
JS starts as a scripting language embedded into a browser
Different browsers try to copy each other but put in their own “features” pulling the language in different directions.
The amorphous blob that is JS starts to congeal and language standards are solidified. This standard is known as ECMAScript (named for legal reasons). ES1 is the first version, followed by ES2 and ES3, each adding useful features.
ES3 (released in 1999):
This is what you could consider the first long term stable baseline widely supported version of the language, where you can make anything you want.
Almost everything you can make in future versions of the language can be backported to ES3.
If you want to go by analogy, you can think of ES3 as javascript’s C99.
The false start:
Work starts on ES4 with a massive feature list (including static typing, classes, modules, algebraic data types, generators, embedded xml/xhtml known as JSX/TSX today, etc…). It fails due to political infighting, and for basically being too ambitious in a single version.
This sucks up years of progress between released versions.
This version is commonly seen as being poisoned by 90’s/00’s Micro$oft and the dark ages of Internet Explorer
But the spirit of ES4 was released spread out over future versions anyway.
The resumption:
The v8 JS engine is released, making JS really fast and worth programming in. This is used in Chrome and Node.
ES5 (released in 2009):
Adds native json support, reflection, and a strict mode to avoid some footguns with ES3
Think of this as C11
Some developers being experimenting with a more consise syntax in CoffeeScript that compiles down to ES5.
2012: Typescript is released adding an optional and gradual typing system to JS (inspired by C# and ES4) designed for both Humans and Computers.
In effect, this brings IDE-style support for JS
ES6 (released in 2015):
With the lessons learned from CoffeeScript, a whole bunch of syntactical sugar is added to make the language more pleasant to write in.
With the lessons learned from community made modules, an official module spec is released and added to the language.
Known as ESM (EcmaScript Modules)
The community starts moving away from unofficial modules (CJS, AMD, UMD)
Babel is created to allow any developer to create and share their their own language extensions.
The faster feedback cycle from Babel allows for smaller and more frequent language updates.
Javascript moves to a yearly release cycle and ES6 is renamed ES2015
ES2016
Adds block scoping as an alternative to hoisting
ES2017
Adds async/await/Promise() syntax sugaring, to make asynchronous programming easier
ES2018
Adds … (rest/spread operator) syntax sugaring, to make destructuring and variadic functions easier
Ryan Dhal (creator of Node) releases his famous 10 Things I Regret About Node.js talk. Announces his intention to create a “modern reset” of Node known as Deno.
Adds top level await, making asynchronous programming easier
Adds private field syntax sugaring
ES2023
Minor changes
The current state of things
Language-wise
Javascript has added a whole bunch of syntactical sugar since 2009 making it really pleasant to code in.
Typescript adds some really nice IDE support to Javascript and the vast majority of all libraries and frameworks are written in it giving that IDE support to Javascript developers.
Babel allows developers to create their own language extensions, which are frequently put forwards at for other developers to give feedback on. Useful proposals are added to the language on a yearly basis.
Runtime-wise
Node is considered the older slow-moving most-stable release of running JS outside of the browser
Think Debian
Deno is considered the friendly Node, coming with all the tools a developer needs (linter, bundler, tester, ts support, etc…). In the last 5 years it has reached almost complete feature parity and compatibility with Node.
Think Ubuntu
Bun is a brand new kid on the block prioritising speed over compatibility.
Think nightly linux
Standard workflow
Write in typescript
Let your editor check your typescript while you’re typing live so you don’t need to go through a compile cycle
Let your project’s stack compile your typescript for you.
If you’re writing a new project from scratch, Deno will run typescript for you.
If you want to build a new stack from scratch with no assistance, use the typescript project itself to check and compile your code into js, or use esbuild to strip out the typescript types to turn your typescript into js. (most developers elect to strip types since your editor/ide should be live checking your typescript anyway allowing you to skip a redundant compile check cycle)
If you’re using an existing stack, your build tools will compile/strip-out typescript for you.
Tooling wise
Most projects use Vite / rollup / and other “zero-config” tools to build and bundle their applications. Some older projects still use Webpack (which does the same thing, but with a more complicated config file).
Everyone uses ESM modules now, almost no one uses the older modules.
For your simple fibonacci example:
Create your fibonacci module that exports your fibonacci function
Import module
Call function in module
Pick your endpoint:
Browser endpoint: Output result in console.log() and see result in browser’s console.
Server-side endpoint: Output result in Deno.serve() and see result in network requests/responses
CLI endpoint: Output result in console.log() and see result in terminal
It feels like anything is mowed down on the internet. I’ve been a dev for a long time too, and I never feel sure when I chose a stack for a new toy project (in my day job I rarely get to chose, so that’s a non issue there)
I thought I loved ts-node, since it’s a good patch over some annoying issues in node.
But I retried deno a few months ago (after having first tried it when it first came out) and I realised that I only ever liked ts-node, and that I actually loved deno.
Deno just ran ts as if it was ts-node without needing a dependency, or startup time, or any prior setup, and it did it so fast I thought something was wrong. It was great.
Stack Overflow has seen a substantial decline in traffic over the last year that appears to be accelerating. observablehq.com/…/the-fall-of-stack-overflow
“1542 different people have been doing math by hand for the last 49 hours, completing the first mathematical painting (shader) ever made with human brain power alone, rather than by a machine! If you know how to add and multiply, you can join us!”
Initially, LinkedIn was just another site where you could find jobs. It was simple to use, simple to connect with others; it even had some friendly groups with meaningful discussions....
Github has always had being a job site be it’s secondary feature.
Except that it has a slightly higher bar of entry to recruiters and recruitment bots spreading toxic positivity, and anyone asking for a job is able to prove (at least some of) their value by showing off their code and how they participate publically in other repos (if at all).
Ubuntu Criticized For Bug Blocking Installation of .Deb Packages ( news.slashdot.org )
Microsoft wipes out evidence of real ads in Windows 11 Start menu ( www.xda-developers.com )
Preview builds for the Zed editor now available on Linux ( zed.dev )
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Hardest Problem in Computer Science: Centering Things ( tonsky.me )
Article argues that git is intrinsically confusing--if you could redesign git from scratch, what would you change? ( dl.acm.org )
Microsoft opens a "high priority" bug ticket in ffmpeg, attempting to leech the free labour of the maintainers ( trac.ffmpeg.org )
Microsoft employee:...
Linking parts of the codebase such that changing one forces reviewing the other ?
Suppose we have a large to-do task manager app with many features. Say we have an entity, which is the task, and it has certain fields like: title, description, deadline, sub-tasks, dependencies, etc. This entity is used in many parts of our codebase....
The Creators of the Atom Code Editor Open-Source Zed, Their New Rust-Based High-Performance Editor ( www.infoq.com )
Turns out, Java and JavaScript are not 'car' and 'carpet' --- ECMA-262 2025: 'ECMAScript syntax INTENTIONALLY resembles that of Java' ( tc39.es )
I linked to the anchor where it says that, right to the bottom of the section 4.3. Will people just STOP saying JavaScript was 'never intended' to have 'nothing to do with Java'? They clearly meant JavaScript to be to Java what AWK is to C, at least syntax-wise. I was born one year after JS was conceived (the standard says...
What are the craziest misconceptions you’ve heard about programming from people not familiar with it?
As someone who spends time programming, I of course find myself in conversations with people who aren't as familiar with it. It doesn't happen all the time, but these discussions can lead to people coming up with some pretty wild misconceptions about what programming is and what programmers do....
Pulsar, the best code editor ( optimizedbyotto.com )
Pulsar (former Atom) is still the best code editor in my opinion. It is easiest and fastest to use, has all the nice productivity boosting plugins and is overall great for all the same reasons the Atom was great. 🚀...
ASML warns that more U.S. sanctions against China could have a major impact on its business ( www.tomshardware.com )
What are some common misconceptions about programming that you'd like to debunk?
Tell me your Best Software Haiku
My friends and I did this a while ago and it was quite fun.
Everything about TOML format - Orchard Dweller ( www.youtube.com )
Visualizer:...
Is jQuery still the go-to JS helper library?
It’s been awhile since I did any frontend work. Is there something that has taken jQuery’s place?
Chat GPT Did NOT Like My Memory Test ( beehaw.org )
I was trying to do a memory test to see how far back 3.5 could recall information from previous prompts, but it really doesn’t seem to like making pseudorandom seeds. 😆
YouTube is reportedly slowing down videos for Firefox users ( www.androidauthority.com )
YouTube once again ahead of uBO on Firefox; fiddling with the extension settings not working this time and DDG search is useless ... anyone got ideas?
Pretty much the subject line. uBO has successfully blocked the nag screen enough times that I can’t play anything at this point. No preview loads, and the play button serves no function. I’d really prefer not to have to find content on YT, copy the URL and use Piped/Invidious, but this ongoing escalation is steeling my...
I accidentally removed the WHERE clause from my SQL query in a personal tool. Every row is now the same. I overwrote 206,000+ rows. I have no backup, I am stupid.
“UPDATE table_name SET w = $1, x = $2, z = $4 WHERE y = $3 RETURNING *”,...
How do you feel about TypeScript?
Specifically, do you worry that Microsoft is going to eventually do the Microsoft thing and horribly fuck it up for everyone? I’ve really grown to appreciate the language itself, but I’m wary of it getting too ingrained at work only to have the rug pulled out from under us when it’s become hard to back out....
We have successfully completed our migration to RAM-only VPN infrastructure - Mullvad VPN ( mullvad.net )
What programming languages aren't too criticized here?
It feels like anything is mowed down on the internet. I’ve been a dev for a long time too, and I never feel sure when I chose a stack for a new toy project (in my day job I rarely get to chose, so that’s a non issue there)
Google Maps has become an eyesore. 5 examples of how the app has lost its way ( www.fastcompany.com )
The Fall of Stack Overflow ( programming.dev )
Stack Overflow has seen a substantial decline in traffic over the last year that appears to be accelerating. observablehq.com/…/the-fall-of-stack-overflow
Human Shader ( humanshader.com )
“1542 different people have been doing math by hand for the last 49 hours, completing the first mathematical painting (shader) ever made with human brain power alone, rather than by a machine! If you know how to add and multiply, you can join us!”
is it just me or GitHub is turning into some sort of LinkedIn
Initially, LinkedIn was just another site where you could find jobs. It was simple to use, simple to connect with others; it even had some friendly groups with meaningful discussions....