True, if they went to court and lost, every emulator project would likely be sued. But settling out of court also sets a precedent, or rather perpetuates the current status quo of crushing any vaguely gray area fan project with the threat of legal action. The shutdown of Yuzu will embolden Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony to be more aggressive about killing off these projects. Until someone does take one of these three to trial and wins, things are going to continue getting worse for game preservation.
Fuck Nintendo. Bunch of money hungry cunts. I hope their sales plummet. Emulation isn't illegal but here fucking are being forced to buy their horrendously shitty console to play a game. Glad I bought mine secondhand and already sold it. You once had honour. Now you can commit seppuku
apt download yuzu will download the deb file (but not dependencies) of the latest release to the PWD. But if you want the latest dev version, you'll have to build from source.
So this defensive strategy was planned from the beginning. The L in LLC stands for limited. It means Nintendo won't get any money. Tropic Haze LLC declares bankruptcy and tells Nintendo "our assets are two rolls of toilet paper and this empty can of coke, GL with getting your millions". Certainly cheaper than fighting a top lawyer team with unlimited funding
Yeah the LLC structure always seemed weird to people. After what happened to Bowser serving prison sentence and having his future earnings garnished for the rest of his life, this might have been the smart play. Yuzu group will never be able to pay the 2 mil. Company goes under and owners walk away from this escaping real harm.
I think Nintendo is gonna chill out because they got what they wanted. AFAIK in the super blatant piracy lawsuits, they won huge sums of money but required stupidly low payments of $50 monthly. Part of me thinks that they don't actually care about piracy itself, but they do care about how it affects their ownership of their properties.
A big reason why I say that is because of a legal theory made by Moon Channel on YouTube. Nintendo as a young company was sued by Universal because Donkey Kong violated the King Kong trademark. Nintendo won that case by arguing that Universal lost said trademark because it was loosely enforced, and they probably feared that another company could do the same to them if they weren't careful. This could be why they are only suing big targets that are profiting from emulation/piracy and not "non-profits" or smaller sites.
That being said, Nintendo wants to create legal precedent by denying a specific principle in the DMCA that was legally ambiguous. Previously, it was assumed that you could bypass copy protections by supplying your own keys, but now, providing instructions on how to do so may not be allowed.
I doubt they're cowards. Nintendo could smack everyone on the team back into the middle ages. Settling i imagine would end it now instead of completely ruining thier lives.
Ahh look at that, a person on the internet having a big mouth without actually having knowledge into the matter. Nothing new.
They are not cowards at all.
Never take on a corporate company that has billions to spend for the suing. They took the smartest and best route for themselves and that’s what matters - what’s best for them.
If you want someone to “fight” against Nintendo, be the change! Do it yourself.
If you want someone to “fight” against Nintendo, be the change! Do it yourself.
And also probably live in Russia (or another CIS state) you know, like most of the famous crackers who still do this and continue to get away with it. Otherwise they (Nintendo or some other western Corpo) will just do the same thing all over again.
Or you could just have a team there, but it didn't work so well for Gary Bowser, so if you go that route consider the first option.
Yeah maybe not, it's mostly just Nintendo, I wouldn't put it behind Microsoft to do something similar, though they haven't tried anything yet, and also don't really have any console exclusives anymore (that they care about, most of them are forgotten on Xbox 360).
They're cowards for not using the chance to kill any judge dumb enough to entertain "copyright laws." Or better yet, coward for not using the chance to call in Miyamoto and killing his rentseeking ass.
I’m curious, are you a teenager? The way you are writing makes me think, you are.
For example “fighting” and “killing” .
These terms don’t really suit the topic.
Not only that you write about things, you clearly have no knowledge of.
They are not cowards at all, they took the best and smartest route for themselves to not get into even more financial debt, mental health issues and immensely stressful situations.
I’m quite certain, you have no idea how big of a toll this situation takes on the Yuzu developers.
Not only that, they were definitely not going to manage winning the case against Nintendo. They do not have the financial capacity nor the right lawyers for it.
Nintendo has enough money and great lawyers to drag this for years if they wanted to.
Anyway because it seems you cannot be reasoned with, this will be my last comment to you.
With all that free money, it looks like Nintendo will be just fine if I never purchase another one of their games. Hell, I may even offer to hack some of my friends' systems just to spite Nintendo.
I'm gonna rcm my switch now and copy my animal crossing island to my PC to be emulated. Shoulda done that a long time ago to have a backup that I actually own instead of having to pay Nintendo to keep my save data backed up. I see no reason to play any more Nintendo games on my switch, much less purchase any more when I have my steam deck.
Deck is superior to Switch! And obligatory F—- Nintendo, and their 1990’s mindset with games and hardware. I’m convinced they’ll have to financially fail to start caring. Even a 30% reduction in their sales and player counts should quickly seize their attention.
At this point 2024 is looking like the Year Of Nintendo’s Failures starting off with Palworld. They certainly deserve to fail!
It isn’t dead yet. The source code was downloaded by a bunch of people when the lawsuit was announced, so there’s already forks being uploaded to other accounts.
Its dead. Another project based on it source code might arise but it won't be the same team and will take a while before it would be smart to trust the new project.
My guess is the most recent version of Yuzu, as a stand alone, will probably work for a long time anyway. So i guess there is that...
That’s what I mean. They say you aren’t truly dead until the last person forgets your name. Yuzu might not have the same team going forward, but the source code is there, and somebody will continue the project. We won’t forget where it came from, and so Yuzu will live on.
Source has been posted on Internet Archive (along with the latest builds for a bunch of platforms). Something will likely rise from the ashes of YuZu, but it wouldn't surprise me if it takes a few years. Nintendo is probably gonna be extra litigious this year (even more than usual), due to them likely failing to have the Switch's successor ready this year, and not really having a full slate of games ready, so with Switch sales projected to be down, best to lay low on anything that might get Nintendo's attention for a while.
Fuck Nintendo. They're going on my shitlist forever. They were already on my shitlist. Now they're just on the same level as HP which is the lowest level.
Same, I haven’t supported them since 2020 but after this I’m never coming back. They can go fuck themselves, I hope their “Switch 2” fails like the WiiU did.
Yeah hard to say. I wouldn't be surprised if Ryujinx gets hit next. It looks like the source code for Yuzu is, at the very least, saved on the wayback machine, so my guess is a fork will eventually pop up.
It seems like a better strategy would be to host this on the dark net. When working on projects like this, they need to start putting effort into making it so that it's almost impossible to link them to real life people. People sell drugs on there all the time and seem to get away with it. Maybe we need to adapt.
We need an "Illegal software github" kind of like pirate sites but for source code that governments and corporations don't want people to have.
Shitty thing is, emulators and emulation themself aren't ilegall.
What nintendo attacked here is the fact yuzu was used to play copies of games for their still used and developed for system, doesn't matter whether it was pirated or not to them, all they care about is the fact that it was a current gen system emulator and they didn't like that fact because they think it hurts their sales.
Yes, absolutely. I'm sure experienced, qualified developers are clamoring to invest thousands of hours of work into a fork of a project hosted exclusively in a space only a fraction of a percent of the online world will ever access. I love the "fuck corpos" attitude from this community, I really do. But Yuzu development is dead. Super dead. Nintendo killed it and all the other emulator teams and game publishers are looking at it thinking about what's next.
