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Mango ,

Holy shit, fuck Nigeria. Can we freedom them next? Sounds like they actually need it, but there's probably no oil to be had.

pleasejustdie ,

They have a lot of rich but unfortunate princes though, so there must be something to sustain all the royalty trying to give me their money.

aleph ,
@aleph@lemm.ee avatar

There's shittons of oil in Nigeria, and most of it is being siphoned off by multinational oil companies.

No need to invade if you can just get the corrupt government you're propping up to sell it to you cheap in the first place.

kindenough ,
@kindenough@kbin.social avatar

Dutch person here, fuck Shell.

schmidtster ,

Maybe don’t claim their product is killing people because it’s a little too sweet for your taste…?

Okoli responded: “Help me advise your brother to stop ki***ing people with his product, yesterday was my first time of using and it’s pure sugar.”

Yeah that’s not gonna go over well anywhere, even the USA. Especially being a business owner….

BirdyBoogleBop ,

It's hyperbole. If you want that to be illegal I'd be hanged for how hyperbolic I am.

intensely_human ,

Hey hey let’s keep it accurate here. Nobody’s talking about executing her.

So far they’ve only intimidated, tortured, and [reading between the lines with the twelve hour surprise police visit to her home] possibly raped her.

schmidtster ,

It’s not hyperbole when you are business owner and/or a large following of people who can sway things.

Kind of like police taking advantage of their power and being held to different standards than the general public……

Yeah this shits not hyperbole and she would be sued in the States too, sorry, this isn’t freedom of speech by any stretch here.

Senal ,

https://programming.dev/pictrs/image/a1480165-1ccf-44bd-b568-d7ea96fd2d01.png

BirdyBoogleBop ,

Bruh.

JackGreenEarth ,
@JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee avatar

She shouldn't have been so melodramatic, but she also shouldn't have been arrested for being melodramatic.

schmidtster ,

She’s a person in a position of power due to being a business owner and her followers, just like anyone else in that position, they should know better and are held to higher standard.

She fucked up and would be sued anywhere in the world for her remarks, sorry for pointing out facts ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ shits not free speech when you are in some positions, she crossed that line:

Senal , (edited )

Describe what you mean by "freedom of speech" here, I'm assuming you don't mean the first amendment because that only applies in the US and only for protection against congress ( the US congress ofc ).

Given the above I'm not sure what line you mean here, libel/slander?

You can only point out facts that exist, well, you can technically point out whatever you like and call it "fact" i suppose, but it's not really accurate unless it's an actual fact.

Unless accuracy isn't what you were going for ?

In case you were wondering : https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/fact

intensely_human ,

Freedom of speech is a cultural and institutional phenomenon, which happens to be mentioned by the US Bill of Rights.

It is not a term which refers to the US amendment, any more than “peaceably assemble” or “levy taxes” or “quartering of troops” are references to parts of the US Constitution.

Senal ,

Did you mean to reply to me? Or the person above?

intensely_human ,

Not intended as a retort

schmidtster ,

Where is the United States even mentioned Here…?

Thanks for being the stereotypical ignorant American who has to make everything about themselves while also making a complete moron of themselves.

Fucking lmfao.

Senal ,

Here is one example

The Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen, adopted during the French Revolution in 1789, specifically affirmed freedom of speech as an inalienable right.[6] Adopted in 1791, freedom of speech is a feature of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.

I mean you can just find in page for "United States"

https://programming.dev/pictrs/image/63220dcf-a799-4e95-96df-49185af5b566.png

Also , not american (a good example of an actual fact) and i very specifically ruled out the typical american interpretation of freedom of speech.

The fact that i was asking you what interpretation you were using implies i recognise more than just one, so even if i were american (again, not american) the question would still stand.

I also , very specifically asked what interpretation you were using for your argument, but it seems we've skipped over the questions entirely and gone straight to factually incorrect personal attacks.

I'll just assume you don't have an answer to the actual question given no attempt was made to actually answer it, or perhaps you think your position is unassailable and an answer is beneath you.

Regardless, good luck with fact pointing i suppose.

edit: added answer to your question

schmidtster ,

You started with the personal attacks first, so why the fuck do you think you deserve better back?

Fucking lmfao.

Senal ,

if someone pointing out that you are saying "fact" but aren't meeting any of the definitions of a fact seems like an attack to you i suspect you're probably having a bad time on the internet.
Again you dodge most of the actual points of the conversation, probably intentionally.

Also i'm pretty sure "Fucking lmfao." has a redundant "Fucking" in it , but I'm not holding my breath on you caring about that given how this has gone so far.

Doesn't seem like this is going to go anywhere interesting, so I'll just add you to the blocklist and be happy nothing of value(to me) was lost.

schmidtster ,

Actually you pointed out that you missed the point of my comment since you assumed it was about the US freedom of speech, when they aren’t even the original. I even provided a link to an article, and you had to search so far down for a small blurb on the USA, while ignoring the wall of text that says it’s not a USA thing, nor even started there………………

So yes ignoring my facts while pushing your own wildly incorrect ones is in fact an attack on someone’s character.

I’m using two fuckings to show just how asinine your argument is, fucking lmfao. It’s called redundancy, I’m making sure my point got across since you intentionally ignored my first one and inputted your own massively I incorrect one.

You’re nothing but a troll trying to derail a conversation, so maybe look in a mirror before calling others out, fucking lmfao.

PiousAgnostic ,

McDonalds kills people every day with unhealthy foods. No joke, no hyperbole pure murder. Kills them due to thier greed. I live in the US. Do you think I should be scared 😆

stringere ,

Do you think I should be scared 😆

Yes but only because you live in America.

Source: same

LifeInMultipleChoice ,

Except this is hyperbole. People can live 80 years off eating McDonald's and others die by eating healthy organic foods in their 50s. McDonald's is a byproduct of the culture. It doesn't kill people so much as their lifestyle kills them.

words_number ,

Hahaha wow! That's your comment about this? Incredible!!!

Sure, if someone writes something on the internet that some business owner somewhere doesn't like, lets just torture them. Makes total sense!

In case you are actually this dumb: Her comment was a so called hyperbole. People like using these, often for humor reasons, especially on the internet and sometimes they are used to clarify something that's actually subtle. Nobody reading that comment actually thinks that she seriously means people would get killed by that stuff. And if they would, she should still be allowed to express what she thinks on the internet.

schmidtster ,

A person in a position of power is held to different standards, and the article the post was about had nothing to do either torture, of course that’s a terrible thing, but I was sticking to the facts of the article…

FluffyPotato ,

As far as large corporations being able to sue you and get the cops to harass you the US may actually be worse.

intensely_human ,

Jesus fucking christ always this comment 🙄

“Well in the US they put a lady on the rack for reviewing a song in spotify. It’s not true but it’s true because I know it!”

FluffyPotato ,

Nintendo literally shut down a company last month for developing an emulator for the switch just by having more money.

Jyek ,

Nintendo is a Japanese company. They settled out of court. The US legal system did not get involved...

FluffyPotato ,

Yea, it did. In most countries if you threaten to sue someone for something like this the judge would just laugh you out if the court room. What Nintendo did was threaten them with a lengthy legal battle they had no means to pay for and the options were to just shut down and declare bankruptcy or have Nintendo drain their funds and then declare bancruptcy. There was no other outcome because of how the US system of you can sue anyone for anything works.

intensely_human ,

Yeah and we are talking about a woman being TORTURED in Nigeria.

Not sure how you can think Nintendo suing someone is comparable to this.

FluffyPotato ,

According to the article the conditions in the jail were just deplorable to the point of being torture which is also common in the US. So that's also comparable.

intensely_human ,

Really? I haven’t heard of that. Where have you heard of jail cells with water across the whole floor and no furniture?

If you can provide evidence, I’ll change my mind.

FluffyPotato ,

The US literally has the Guatanamo Bay concentration camp for political prisoners so they could legally torture them.

If you want something more domestic then I'm sure one of those had some water or furniture related death: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-jails-deaths/
Though from what I understand in the US death by cop is the most likely.

maynarkh ,

I don't know how to tell you this, but these situations are created by "freedoming" countries. This is neo-colonialism in action.

Cryophilia ,

Anything bad that ever happens is because of white people

maynarkh ,

Nope, not white people. Wealthy colonialists and those who cheer them on. Lately the CPC is joining in on that racket if you prefer your world delineated by race.

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