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I know some of you consider this as documented whining. I hear you but won't stop sharing my opinion and reminding. I recommend continuing commenting on the original post to keep it a bit organized (this post is a link to it)...
Your opinion is welcome and duely noted. I am posting this on my own behalf, no others related in any way to mbin are involved
When I have time I will read the link you've supplied
However, Please don't spin the situation of kbin so that it looks like I'm the one causing it or making it up. Reality remains that one person controls the main hub kbin.social and has proven and admitted before that he can't handle it by himself.
Your sympathy for Ernest is good, we all sympathise with him. My main point is and has always been that kbin.social should not be run by one person alone, especially if he's having a hard time in his daily life.
Yeah that makes sense and frankly I was a bit scared at first that mbin wouldn't last long. But it's still here and actively being developed. What we have to try to avoid Indeed is forking again.
It's not one week of inactivity, this has been going on for months. If you want to start accusing me of things please read into the entire situation first, starting in October, on the kbin dev matrix
I have offered him my help, several times, when he finally responded he explained he's bad at excepting help. That's fine, but that's one of the things which, as I've said in this thread before, makes him unsuitable for running kbin.social by himself
Paid for, in part, by the nlnet foundation. So not just his own money, now that you mention it. But that's not what bothers me neither am I trying to take his computer away. What I have asked him to do, several times, and I am not the only one, is to make sure that should something go bad in his life again other people can take over for him (temporarily)
I assume nlnet are capable of looking after their own business, it's none of mine anyway. And from what Ernest has written in the past I suspect that he's lost the grant.
He has made several promises, several times but never stuck to his words. He's repeating his actions again, although it's not as apparent this time as before, because there's less people involved.
Admins is not enough, there have to be people he trusts, with full access to the server, to make sure the community can be preserved
I am fully aware, you don't have to inform me about the situation. Reading the devlogs alone is nowhere near enough to get a grasp of the full situation.
Please link to your previous statement so I can read it. I hope you did leave your original one as well.
You are calling people insane, defaming them
without due diligence, think about that before continuing
It seems you are suggesting I am defaming somebody here. That would be ironical, I fully agree and I'd join you laughing, at myself. If I am misinterpreting you let me know. However, please do prove somehow that I am defaming somebody, anybody. I would seriously be delighted to be proven wrong in this matter.
Calling me childish and desperate for attention. Way less striking than calling an entire group of people insane, but still unnecessarily degrading. Resorting to such language comes across as being desperate to winning a conversation.
About constructive conversation. Calling people insane is not the way to enter one. Talking about irony.
I am very interested to hearing how and where I defamed anybody.
I was reminded of the situation by a notification of this comment on my post. I realized it was a week ago and out of curiosity checked Ernest's dev blog and the codeberg repo to see if any progress had been made. That is not tracking, that is not stalking, that is not harassment.
You said before you were not involved. Well, now you are. This thread has now been escalated from defamation to false accusations against me, by you.
For real, stop trying to silence me, @melroy and others by pretending I'm committing crimes, and by trying to install fear of further escalation.
I almost feel like it's October last year, when I pled for improvement on all fronts regarding the Kbin development strategy. Now it seems development has ceased once again and there hasn't been chat on the matrix channels for over a week. Update: that's two weeks now (including his blog) and over a month of no visible...
That's great, assuming they're all contributing. If that's the case however, I can only assume it's being done behind the scenes, essentially deviating from the open source nature of the project
Please prove me wrong, but I am interpreting this as a confirmation of my feeling that development is currently ongoing in the background.
Open source and maintained in an obscure location do not go well together in one sentence. Perhaps if it had been like this all along from the start, so people knew what they were getting into. Taking OSS development offline whenever it suits one person, without any form of announcement let alone an explanation to the community, would bother me
I am very sorry but am not seeing any commits in any of the branches? I may be overlooking something.
Update: sorry I did not read your reply thorougly enough.
But even if that's the case,
Up to a month ago it was common to see commits in the development branch on a regular basis. So it may be a change of strategy, but even if so, it's still without announcement or explanation.
That last thing for me is the issue. It's happened before, where Ernest left everybody dangling. Fair enough, he's written in his devblog. But the community doesn't know if any of that is based on reality and, sadly, due to things which happened in the past and given the circumstances, that makes me very skeptical
Absolutely and that's totally fine. Ernest however had a lot of his community members believe that they were part of the project, but this turned out not quite to be the case. I fell for that as well, when I joined it seemed like a crowded project with several enthusiastic developers. Not judging, but if I'd known it was a one man project at the time I would not have chosen for kbin for rimworld.gallery
and when I say NOTHING I mean without financing the project.
This is not quite true, the project was being partially financed by external parties
But you are right. And we all know this. Kbin/mbin still is a fantastic project. We all respect Ernest for creating it. The software was immature as you said, a lot of people jumped in and offered their help, including actually making the features they were, as you call it, demanding. He was no longer alone. When things went south, everybody sympathized and several people offered him help and advice in many ways, which he has explicitly refused.
But that was all then, circumstances were far from optimal, indeed. Things are back to normal now, have in fact been for quite a while. This would have been the chance to get things sorted, especially delegating access to the back end of kbin.social, but sadly, nothing has changed
Real-life stuff was kinda more important for me at the moment than managing the project.
As it should be, always, for everybody, you won't ever hear me judge you on that, so please don't try to make me look bad by implicitly suggesting I am.
What you failed to do however is delegate, even temporarily, your responsibilities to people you trust. Instead you left people who trusted you dangling, only sporadically feeding them promises you would never fulfill. It seems keeping them on a leash was kinda more important to you than securing the future of kbin.
I won't go on about this any further.
I hope I'll never have to mention this again, so you'll never have to. Which would imply that you'll have come to terms and lived up to your promises, both recent ones and from the past.
Believe me, I tried to delegate tasks, had many private conversations and discussions. Perhaps it wasn't visible from the outside
I am sorry but I'm having a hard time believing you when you say that you were seriously trying to delegate, as not a single soul ever said anything which would remotely confirm this. I believe you had conversations, but they ultimately didn't result in anything in this context.
However, in that mental state, the last thing I wanted to do was resolve conflicts among adults
I am not sure how to interpret this as there were no conflicts that I'm aware of that needed resolving during your absence, everybody was just waiting
I am more of a person who prefers to stay on the sidelines and engage in what brings me the greatest pleasure - coding, just like any other contributor.
There's nothing wrong with being like that, there are other people willing to do things like resolving issues. Like me. I realize I appeared out of nowhere. As a new instance owner it took a while for me to notice, but when the situation became clear to me I was ready to jump in and help, just like all the other people who had offered their help (before me).
You've basically just admitted that you were either incapable of or unwilling to engage in structural problem solving and management of the kbin project. That's fine, but you should have reached out and informed the community as soon as you became aware of this.
forking turned out to be the best thing that could happen
Yes, forking can have positive side effects and perhaps having two versions in development synchronously can merit more than one. This however was not the proper way to achieve this and using it as an excuse to justify your behavior and inaction is unjust.
However, it is not too late. You can still do the right thing by starting delegation now, by clearly assigning multiple people to all essential tasks, and giving multiple people complete control of kbin.social, so that, should a similar situation occur in the future, you and the community will confidently know that the project will not grind to a halt again.
Then seek a constructive dialog with the mbin community and we can make the project, in it's current for, work. Together.
If you feel uncomfortable with or are have trouble doing any of this, as you've clearly indicated you'd rather spend your time on coding, you are always welcome to ask me for advice.
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