online multiplayer in pirated games?

this isn't about anything specific, this is just a general question.

i always assumed that multiplayer wouldn't work on pirated copies of games, or at most you'd have to play on specially configured servers. but the other day i saw a thread about a game where online multiplayer works even with pirated copies, and now i'm curious about how often that happens.

i understand that every game is different, and i want to know: what are your experiences with online multiplayer in pirated games?

sag ,
@sag@lemm.ee avatar

Sometime multiplayer work in Pirated Version. You have to configure it though like I have fully working account on Geometry Dash or Minecraft

maness300 ,

Online multiplayer can work if it supports LAN play.

You can set up a session with Hamachi. I've done it with Borderlands 3 and Divinity OS 2.

zaknenou ,
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Yu-Gi-Oh used to be popular with Hamashi

Fisch ,
@Fisch@lemmy.ml avatar

Me and my friends usually use zerotierone

kylian0087 ,

Hamachi is the worst. better setup a proper VPN

maness300 ,

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    kylian0087 ,

    Its not that it wont "work" but it is anything but secure your better of port forwarding and open it straight to the internet.

    maness300 ,

    That's completely false.

    kylian0087 ,

    Letting users in too your entire device and potently your LAN is worse then giving access to a single service.

    shalva97 ,

    if they had LAN multiplayer it worked 100% of time. There was this one case with Red Alert where it would disconnect random times, but I never played official vesion so who knows maybe it would be same.

    Steam games also work but you need to wait until they get hacked.

    Take a look at online-fix.me website. Their games always worked cor me and my friends, just register on it, otherwise they dont show download links

    daniyeg ,

    getting multiplayer working on a pirated copy really depends on how the game handles multiplayer itself. in general you can divide them into these categories based on how you pirate them:

    the easiest ones would be games that allow community or self-hosted servers. getting multiplayer working on them is essentially just cracking the game itself and turning off a few validation checks. if you wanna play with your friend it can be as simple as checking a tick box when creating a new game, although some games have a separate server binary and you probably need a static ip and other complications that arise when you wanna host a server. these games usually have communities that host servers for everyone and some of them can be as active as the original game's server or even more. this would also probably disable any anti-cheat that the game might have so they may force the players connecting to have a separate anti cheat. some examples that i've played would be older valve games and minecraft. most game these days don't use this model though.

    a little harder would be games that only work over LAN. these also don't need anything special done to them and if you genuinely get people on the same network you can actually play together, however in this day and age gathering people around on the same place can be quite hard, and also if your group is large enough your router may not be able to handle it, not to mention you can't play with strangers online. that's why you need an extra layer of software to simulate people being on the same LAN. the ones i have worked with are Hamachi and GameRanger. these tend to be very finicky about the exact version everyone is using so make sure to have the exact version with the exact patch number. these tend to be much older games, mostly strategy games since that was the most popular genre at the time, although early fps games are also LAN based. the games in the previous category also usually have LAN support. some examples i remember would be borderlands 2, age of empires 2 and stronghold crusader.

    the biggest category today would be peer-to-peer (p2p) games which use p2p connections as the main way to communicate. in these games one of the clients usually acts out as the host while others connect to it over the internet. some of them might not even have a host and everyone connects to everyone else... and it's all a giant mess that you really shouldn't care about. what you should care about is that these games are way much trickier since game clients need to find each other, be aware of each other and send stuff to each other at all times, therefore most of these games usually use third party APIs do all the syncing. this makes it harder to play them online since they also use these APIs to check if the game is genuine or not. wouldn't it be nice if we could take a free game that uses one of these APIs, send our requests as if we were playing that game so the validations checks wouldn't happen? since most games on PC release on steam we can use the steam API (steamworks) to play them. these games need to be patched in order to pass off the game's requests as if it came from another app. these patches are usually called steam-fix or online-fix patches, and most of them use the Space Wars game which is an example game that valve uses in their documentation to explain how their API works, and developers can use it in order to test out their game to see if it's compatible with steamworks or not (some patches might use a different game like cube racer or TOXIKK but these are rare). that's why it works since it's all exposed and it has a legitimate use so valve is unlikely to nuke it. most modern games that can't afford dedicated servers (usually indies but sometimes big games) use this method instead. i've played too many games this way but the most recent example was lethal company.

    last but not least is games that use dedicated servers. unfortunately you can't play most of these since the server is closed source and no one can host their own server except for the game developers. however some games have had their source leaked, or someone has gone through and painstakingly recreated the game and emulated the server of these games. they are called "private servers" and you can usually find people hosting these, or even host one yourself since most of them tend to be open source. most of them don't work with the ordinary cracked version of the game but rather have their own special clients. be careful with these since you are trusting the host to actually be secure and most of them are not and you might get your data leaked. most of these private servers tend to be for MMOs since recreating a game demands a very dedicated player base over a long period of time. the most famous example are WOW private servers, specifically Warmane servers which have their own ecosystem.

    there are also some oddities here and there that don't neatly fit in these categories. you can't play most emulated games online, but some emulators have networking functionality and with modified ROMs you can to play multiplayer, some emulators are purpose built to just play one game really well (like slippi for super smash bros melee), some games originally didn't have online play at all but someone patched it in etc etc.

    TL;DR: there are some general ways that you can get multiplayer on a game working, but it depends on the game. if the game can't have a steamworks patch or it can't work with LAN, then you need game specific ways of making it work. if there's a way, someone has posted about it online so don't be afraid to look for it. i'm sorry about the length of this comment hope it helps.

    CH3DD4R_G0BL1N ,
    @CH3DD4R_G0BL1N@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I just recently tried a Palworld “unofficial demo” since I’ve never been a survival fan. Come to find out there is a game called Spacewar that has some kind of known interface to steam works that is exploitable for multiplayer on pirated games. This let me play on official servers with a 100% illegitimate copy. Whole new world to me.

    I’ve also seen “coop fixes” on p2p games like Monster Hunter that allow pirated copies to play together. So the options are there apparently.

    pandacoder ,

    Spacewar is the app ID for testing Steamworks integration without having an app ID yet.

    junusdenised420 ,
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    From my experience most of the stuff that uses steamworks for multiplayer can work on a pirated copy, you can only play with other pirates tho. Then games where you can host your own servers and p2p games can be done often as well. Some games that require you to use offical servers have server emus written for already but they arent finished iirc (i kbow of BO4 and Diablo3)

    randomaside ,

    Are Diablo 3 server emus any good? I haven't looked in a long while but now I'm intrigued.

    junusdenised420 ,
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    Not sure, i think there are some ai features still not done. Haven't looked at them for a while

    GuidoMancipioni ,

    I know that with Minecraft it was as simple as toggling a line in a config to tell the server to verify the copy as legit, or not. This will break your ability to whitelist and apply permissions properly though, if i recall, as people could just change their name to pretend to be you so you'd only want to use it on servers populated with people you trust completely

    Voltage ,

    I play MC like that, You can use mods to implement a type of login where players have to make a password for their name and have to login with it each time they connect. this wouldn't help with players joining with different names as ban evasion but no one could pretend to be another player without their password.

    brygphilomena ,

    Lol sounds like /nickserv on irc

    salarua OP ,
    @salarua@sopuli.xyz avatar

    one Discord server i was on had a Minecraft server with a specific mod installed that allowed cracked copies to join, and it allowed people to lock names in with a PIN so people couldn't impersonate each other. i can't remember which mod it was though

    Fisch ,
    @Fisch@lemmy.ml avatar

    Biggest downside for me is that everyone has the default skin when not verifying that. But that could easily be fixed with a mod or maybe even just a server-side plugin.

    thantik ,

    ARK:SE is like this - a guy hijacked the steam stuff in the background, and the game allows unofficial self-hosted servers. The server and the client both have to have the hack, but multiplayer is available.

    Generally multiplayer will not be available in games where it relies on a matchmaking service, or you're not allowed to host 3rd party servers.

    DonSuey ,

    someone "hijacked the steam stuff"?! how could THAT happen without Valve crushing down hard on it

    TexMexBazooka ,

    I’d bet anything that uses p2p connections instead of a central server would work, or games where self hosting your game server is an option.

    Anything that requires hitting a server owned by the studio is going to check your license

    t0fr ,
    @t0fr@lemmy.ca avatar

    I suppose if it's a lan based game it would work fine

    Anything with official servers is unlikely to work

    MomoTimeToDie ,
    @MomoTimeToDie@sh.itjust.works avatar

    From my experience, it largely depends on how online multi-player is handled. Things that require game-specific accounts or have drm tied to an account like steam, it won't work. But a lot of stuff on console works fine since it's presumed that the anti-piracy has already happened. I play plenty of pirated games online on 3ds, Wii u, and psvita

    salarua OP ,
    @salarua@sopuli.xyz avatar

    oh, good point about console games. i wonder if you could use multiplayer on a pirated console game with crossplay

    MomoTimeToDie ,
    @MomoTimeToDie@sh.itjust.works avatar

    The big issue is that the console companies are generally more active in targeting people on more active consoles, and are incredibly strict if you're caught cheating. Just being connected to psn on a hacked ps3 runs you a very real risk of getting an account ban. I can only imagine they're far more active in banning ps4/ps5 users who are running hacked firmware. And Idk if there's been any major hacks on the Xbox side of things.

    As a side note, if you want to see a cluster fuck of every hack and cheat imaginable, hit up the original splatoon servers on Wii u. It's honestly completely insane how much people have broken it

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