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Lucidlethargy ,
@Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works avatar

Anything is better than Mac... I hate how every time I try to push the green circle in the top left it now goes into full screen mode (if you don't hold option every single time). Who the fuck wants full screen mode?

That one feature is honestly enough to use anything else. It didn't used to be this way... But Apple has been screwing up their products for over a decade now.

boredsquirrel OP ,

Can you change these colored circles to symbols? Red/green are horrible, I can mostly not differetiate them

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

Why don’t you just use key commands?

verdigris ,

You're right, a keyboard-driven tiling wm does seem like a better idea.

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

Most OSs have an app for it, if it’s not already built in.

ForgotAboutDre ,

You can change them to grey circles.

boredsquirrel OP ,

I hope this is a joke

ForgotAboutDre ,

It's a nice aesthetic choice in macos. They got rid of the icons, I always thought the order was clear. It's like a car clutch closes the engine from the wheels, brake slows the car (minimise) and accelerator maximises.

boredsquirrel OP ,

I think the windows layout makes more sense, also used on Android, ChromeOS, KDE, LXQt, XFCE, Budgie, Mate, Ubuntu GNOME, Cosmic-Epoch, ...

And still every one of them still has the symbols displayed.

meliante ,

Doesn't gnome only have close?

boredsquirrel OP ,

Yes but you can add all buttons.

0x0f ,

they change to symbols when hovering, i don't think they have a a11y setting for them :/

boredsquirrel OP ,

Wow apple, great job!

RiderExMachina ,

Are you red-green colorblind?

boredsquirrel OP ,

Yes. Pretty common among men, a trait from their mothers as it lies on the X chromosome. Most women dont have it, as they have a healthy one and it is recessive.

acockworkorange ,

I work with industrial human machine interfaces, used to operate heavy machinery. The prevalence of some form of colorblindness in the male population is around 15-17%, and most heavy machine operators are men.

It’s enough of a safety issue that standards call for at least 2 ways of communicating alarms - most commonly shapes and colors, in many cases text is also used. The use of colors to indicate status (pump running, valve closed, etc) is also limited to colors with a distinct luminance value so that even people with full colorblindness can operate them easily.

In the past, many HMIs were made in which green meant running, red stopped, yellow alarm… let’s just say a lot of people had to be maimed and killed before the standard was issued.

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

Somehow I never considered that, MacOS' stupid stoplight buttons aren't particularly accessible, are they?

boredsquirrel OP ,

No they arent

tiredofsametab ,

We are polar opposites; I almost never want something not in fullscreen, hah. I've been using a mac for work for a bit over a year now and hate it.

kalleboo ,

They changed that to appeal to Windows users, people who were raised on Windows are absolutely obsessed with full screening everything for some reason

iiGxC ,

Tiling window manager users: nervous glance

embed_me ,
@embed_me@programming.dev avatar

What's wrong with fullscreen?

I can't imagine coding in a small window when you have the whole screen

Sekki ,

I think he is talking about how the default is full screen instead of maximize window. Full screen meaning the entire screen with no application and system bar visible and maximized window meaning taking the whole space but still showing the application and system bar.
Anecdotally I have seen many more mac users doing stuff in a small window than windows or linux users.

idefix ,

Thanks for explaining, I was really confused there

embed_me ,
@embed_me@programming.dev avatar

I think I get your explanation but I rarely see people in windows using fullscreen (videos and games don't count ofc), windowed mode is the default so I don't get the comment

OhNoMoreLemmy ,

It's very true on a Mac. Almost every time you click the green button, it jumps to full screen and then you can't drag another window on top of it.

It's a pain in the arse because my workflow is to have a reading screen with documents and emails on, and a work screen with whatever I'm actually doing. But if outlook is full screen, you can't drag any other windows on top of it.

Don't know why the first guy was saying this is a Windows thing though. I only run onto it on macs.

Sekki ,

I specifically said anecdotlly. Your experience and my experience a not representative of anything. Also that is only a small portion of my comment and was meant more a a sidenote.

We were also not talking about windowed mode at all here. It was specifically about what happens when you press the green window control button, which as far as I know puts the app in fullscreen on macos and the equivalent on any other OS known to me is to maximize the window.

boredsquirrel OP ,

The difference is fullscreen vs maximized window. The former hides the dock and panel

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble ,

Mac OS from the very start has been about opening (and then stacking windows) on top of other windows. The entire OS has been built around it since 1.0. Once you accept that’s how it works it’s UI/UX makes a lot more sense.

possiblylinux127 ,
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Not to mention it is the most broken and slow desktop I have ever used

piexil ,

Full screen mode kicks ass on a laptop.

Swiping between all full screen with trackpad gestures is the workflow on macOS I really like

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