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just_another_person ,

Odd timing since there is a renewed push for Arm laptop chips coming around from Qualcomm.

737 ,

Endeavor os is an utterly pointless distro anyway, it doesn't even host it's own repos. Just use Arch.

NoisyFlake ,

it doesn’t even host it’s own repos

Yes, and that's a good thing, otherwise it would be like Manjaro.

EndeavourOS is perfect if you already know your way around a Linux system but don't want to spend the time and effort to setup Arch.

Jyek ,

What's wrong with Manjaro?

zloubida ,
@zloubida@lemmy.world avatar

They made errors with certificates twice. Apparently, that a cardinal sin for some Linux users.

But if you like Manjaro, use it. It's not perfect, but it's a great distro.

null ,
@null@slrpnk.net avatar

5 times*

And DDOSd the AUR.

lemmyvore ,

And then worked with Arch to fix the issue with AUR, which made AUR better for everybody.

null ,
@null@slrpnk.net avatar

Source?

lemmyvore ,

The official discussion.

You can see there how devs for multiple distros and AUR helpers worked together in a civil manner to solve the issue. It was nice, people cooperated, a textbook example of what FOSS and Linux community spirit is all about.

Yet other people, years later, who aren't distro devs or AUR admins or were even impacted in any way, use that same moment as a reason to hate blindly. It's sad and disgusting.

null ,
@null@slrpnk.net avatar

I mean, painting the Manjaro devs breaking the AUR for everyone (twice) as a wholesome, community bonding experience is a bit of a stretch.

The Manjaro devs have a solid track record of being sloppy. That's just a fact. It's fair for people to dislike that.

lemmyvore ,

Do tell. I mean Debian has a local root exploit right now but everybody loves Debian. Meanwhile Manjaro is the devil for a DDoS that wasn't even proven as coming from Manjaro machines. Anybody can fake a user agent.

Thing is, pamac on Manjaro could not have DDoS'ed the AUR since it caches all queries. What's the scenario, 125k new Manjaro machines all came online at the same time?

All evidence points at someone scraping the AUR and using the pamac UA as a fake-out. But still the Manjaro devs took the opportunity to improve pamac even so, they asked for more optimized endpoints to use, extended the delay before searching to 1s etc. Which yes I find wholesome under the circumstances.

null ,
@null@slrpnk.net avatar

I'm sure you're familiar with Manjarno. I'll refer you to the work that's already been done there.

lemmyvore ,

Yes I'm familiar. It's that list of nonsense that people link to when they run out of arguments but just gotta keep hating, right?

Someone should put together a Manjaryes and then we can just swap links and never use any braincells.

null ,
@null@slrpnk.net avatar

Oh no, its actually the list of sourced information about all of Manjaro's fumbles.

It's open-source, you're welcome to open an issue if you can dispute the claims in it.

Or you can just keep calling it nonsense. Whatever's easier.

HarriPotero ,
@HarriPotero@lemmy.world avatar

And DDOSd the AUR.

Twice.

TheyCallMeHacked ,

They've been pretty tame lately, but there have been issues historically that made a lot of people (rightfully) mad. You ca read on them here: https://manjarno.pages.dev/

HarriPotero ,
@HarriPotero@lemmy.world avatar

Manjaro also ruined PINE64.

girsaysdoom ,

It sounds like they made their own bed with preferential treatment towards Manjaro.

OsrsNeedsF2P ,

As someone who loved Manjaro and installed it everywhere, the whole thing is (was?) amateur hour run by clowns. Drama, bugs, but lots of opportunity to contribute if you were equally blind.

lemmyvore ,

Nothing. Some people get hung up on things like the certificates for manjaro.org expiring, which have no relation to anything.

aleph ,
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Technically, Endeavour does have its own repos but they only contain a relatively small number of non-essential packages. But yeah, other than that it's basically pre-configured Arch with great defaults.

737 ,

No, the defaults are worse than the arch defaults, the wallpapers are ugly, dracut has worse documentation for desktop use, yay is bad, and the firewall GUI is pointless bloat (the thing on the KDE settings app is just better). Just use Arch.

fushuan ,

It might be bad, but bad is better than nothing for tons of people. I would not have engaged with arch if it weren't for eos, but now that I have I might switch to arch in the future, after getting a "transition layer" so to speak.

deathmetal27 ,

A lot of what you said are just personal opinions.

737 ,

okay

Petter1 ,

You don’t know archinstall?? It’s on the normal ArchISO

exu ,
@exu@feditown.com avatar

That's still CLI based, while Calamares is graphical, no?

burgersc12 ,

I found archinstall to be very simple to follow, even though the whole thing is shown through the CLI, its basically just one page where you setup everything like partitions, boot, etc. Was a lot easier than I expected with the way everyone talks about it

Owljfien ,

My only difficulty with it was that I have too many disks and partitions and I didn't want to yeet the wrong one by mistake

user224 ,
@user224@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Isn't it TUI? That's almost GUI in my opinion.

Petter1 ,

Sure, but do we call it archinstallOS, after installation?

exu ,
@exu@feditown.com avatar

I don't get your point. Should we call EndevourOS Arch as well by your logic?

Petter1 ,

Yes 🌚 but don’t take me serious 😂

737 ,

Im not saying that it should, but not doing it literally reduces the distro to little more than an install script for Arch. Just use Arch with the archinstall script or the 10 minute manual install.

Allero ,

For the record, there's nothing wrong with Manjaro either, it doesn't deserve the Internet hate it often gets and I'm happy to use it as my daily driver.

LeFantome ,

EndeavourOS has its own repos and uses them to good effect to add small but important quality of life improvements to Arch.

EOS also had the very good sense to not reinvent the wheel and reimplement the best thing about Arch ( the large, high-quality package library ).

LMDE ( Mint on Debian ) is another distro that gets this right.

maxwisecracks ,
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*its own repos

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