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just_another_person ,

TLDR: Proton and Tuta

MagneticFusion ,

This has been the answer for years now and sill be the answer for at least the next few years as well

ISOmorph ,

Let's see what europes e2ee ban will bring. Proton is one of the "high risk" services mentioned in the bills debate. Might not be too long before you have to host your own mail server if you want privacy in europe.

electro1 ,
@electro1@infosec.pub avatar

I'm probably going to downvoted to hell with this... But didn't people say Proton might be a government Op, even Tuta was mentioned as a honeypot in a recent Court case, so they released a blog post titled: Tuta is not a honeypot....

Idk... my guts tell me, if something is too good to be true, then it's not true... Proton offerings are amazing for a free plan... And their clients looks good and they sponsor YT channels... I used to be happy to see an Open source project succeed as a business, but the concept of honeypots, made me rethink my view

Smoke ,
@Smoke@frogdrool.net avatar

@electro1 @ISOmorph imagine your enemy has infinite money, manpower, and resources to turn against you.

why would the DoD give away a weapon like TOR?

why would satoshi release bitcoin at 51% difficulty?

why would Putin allow for the grotesque corruption of the oligarch state?

because they have the other half.

electro1 ,
@electro1@infosec.pub avatar

because they have the other half.

could you please elaborate, or matter of fact, ELI5...

Isn't the whole purpose of having power and control, is to have it all, or make it appear that you're not in control?

wagoner ,

Idk... my gut tells me... didn't people say... might be... I'm probably going to be down voted to hell... if something's too good to be true...

What a ridiculous response.

electro1 ,
@electro1@infosec.pub avatar

What a ridiculous response.

what's so ridiculous about it?

wagoner ,

I quoted the bits that answer your question and which completely undermine the bits I didn't quote.

electro1 ,
@electro1@infosec.pub avatar

first of it's a comment not a response.. secondly, you quoted everything in wrong order to make it appealing to further ridicule, which brings me to my last but not least point, is that what you do? you find something ridiculous and get your dopamine kick by saying how ridiculous it is!

I quoted the bits that answer your question and which completely undermine the bits I didn't quote

Not what I asked, I don't see ridiculousness in my comment, so if you care to reply with feedback, please do, otherwise stop bothering me

wagoner ,

This is all kinda of weirdness. You were the one who asked me a question, and I responded to it. And now I'm done. Have a nice day.

electro1 ,
@electro1@infosec.pub avatar

This is all kinda of weirdness

lmao, wow...

BrikoX OP ,
@BrikoX@lemmy.zip avatar

You thinking it's a honeypot is a win for the government. All they need to do is spread some propaganda instead of actually bothering to run a service that is hard to keep alive. And if they were to run a honeypot, having it outside 14 eyes countries would be the most stupid decision the government could make.

electro1 ,
@electro1@infosec.pub avatar

You thinking it's a honeypot is a win for the government. All they need to do is spread some propaganda

Good point, but I didn't think of it that way just because, I saw things and read stuff that made me suspect it...

to run a service that is hard to keep alive. And if they were to run a honeypot

But they did, and it worked for them before, and it'll always work unless no one start using that service, so there's no point in keeping servers operational.. time for a rebrand. plus they're getting paid.

having it outside 14 eyes countries would be the most stupid decision the government could make.

having it outside the US ( if we're talking about the US ) maybe, but the 14 eyes... It's just s story at this point, even countries outside the 14 eyes spy on their citizens and make secret deals.. So..

BrikoX OP ,
@BrikoX@lemmy.zip avatar

Good point, but I didn't think of it that way just because, I saw things and read stuff that made me suspect it...

There is "speculation" spread about every single "privacy" focused service for exactly that reason. If you don't trust them, you are not using them. I'm not saying don't be suspicious, but also look at facts that make it unlikely of it being a honeypot.

But they did, and it worked for them before, and it'll always work unless no one start using that service, so there's no point in keeping servers operational.. time for a rebrand. plus they're getting paid.

Right, but there are plenty of easier services to target that provide more sensitive information. If you are a honeypot, you have to be profitable and expand your services or people will move somewhere else. That all takes time and work. Buying other services like SimpleLogin or Standard Notes and integrating their staff into your scheme would be unnecessary complication.

having it outside 14 eyes countries would be the most stupid decision the government could make.

It's not a story. So called 5 eyes, 9 eyes and 14 eyes refers to country agreements to share intelligence and make cooperation instant instead of having to go through proper channels that take time. I'm sure there are many conspiracy theories about specific things that might not be true, but there is no dispute that these agreements exist.

Government run honeypots are usually facilitated by federal agencies, INTERPOL, or EUROPOL, and if they want to run something in a country where they are not welcome it has to be court approved. Hence, it being run in 14 eyes countries, make it easy. Switzerland on the other hand not only requires everything to be approved by their courts, but also require using their specific privacy laws when making determination, which are the strongest in the world.

You only need to look at previous known honeypots to see where they originate and what they target.

clmbmb ,

Yes, and both have proprietary clients. I have proton and I'm in the process to moving away mainly because I can't use their calendar and contacts natively in Android. Not sure about Tuta, but I never liked them.

Twitches ,

Same calendar doesn't give notification unless I open it. I'm just looking to replace Google.

vatlark ,

Huh, works fine for me for nearly a year now. The only thing I still use google calendar for are some shared calendars.

After proton adds Standard Notes. I'm hoping google maps will be the last product I'm tied to.

archer ,

It works for me in GrapheneOS, should work on regular Android, too? What I'm missing is a dedicated Proton contacts application including integration into the phone app.

MagneticFusion ,

That's very odd I get notifs from Calendar without any google play services

Twitches ,

I think I figured it out, it was some battery optimization settings. Now just waiting for contact integration into the phone

clmbmb ,

I get notifications some times, but mostly I get them at totally random times. It's very annoying.

Twitches ,

Check your battery optimization, so if you go to the app in your settings turn off all battery optimization. Just did this, not sure how well it's going to work, but, maybe

clmbmb ,

I've done this. Didn't help. I'm in a Samsung S20+ and checked with my wife's pixel too and still have problems.

Twitches ,

I have the same phone. I'm guessing mine probably won't work either :(

just_another_person ,

Didn't Proton release some kind of adapter to solve this issue and allow for IMAP?

LittleBobbyTables ,

Yes, Proton Mail Bridge. I use it with KMail, works pretty well, I’d say.

Edit: I think this client is only for desktop, however. Android users will have to find another option.

just_another_person ,

That sucks, but good to know.

refalo ,

Well do you want privacy or do you want convenience? You can't really have both here IMO

clmbmb ,

You don't have 100% privacy as long as you send mails to people and services that don't support proton's encryption. If I wasn't privacy I can always use gpg.

RiQuY ,

Mailbox.org too.

TCB13 ,
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

The guys who decided to block GrapheneOS for no reason and don't provide reasonable explanations nor fix the issue.. yeah right.

Pantherina ,

What, source?

How would you block an OS?

And btw there are some reasons why GrapheneOS may be criticised

TCB13 ,
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/112378169615030832

Pantherina ,

Thanks! TLDR spamhaus (a big spamlist provider) has them on their spamlist, or maybe not, and they are using some fancy CDN.

It is VERY likely just a technical error.

delirious_owl ,
@delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

Wish I could signup on Tor.

I use dnmx instead

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