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Adanisi ,
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Yep the Pinetime can last for about 2 weeks on Infinitime in my case

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Fuck off Poettering. Stop trying to absorb the whole system.

EDIT: apparently systemd absorbing the whole system with it's nonstandard, monolithic nightmare is a good thing, judging from downvotes. Carry on.

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Systemd likes to break standards. That's a big reason

I don't know anything about Linux and the idea of installing it frightens me. Where do I start?

I bought a laptop yesterday, it came pre-installed with Windows 11. I hate win 11 so I switched it down to Windows 10, but then started considering using Linux for total control over the laptop, but here's the thing: I keep seeing memes about how complicated or fucky wucky Linux is to install and run. I love the idea of open...

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The Apple of Linux? Is that not Ubuntu?

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I think that's GNOME's fault. Debian allows you to do more than Ubuntu, for example by not ramming proprietary snaps down your throat when you try to use apt.

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At least they don't remove perfectly good ones 🤷‍♂️

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Ahaha is that why they're removing everything from the DE and forcing people to use extensions for things like desktop icons? So they can say "it's not us, it's the extensions"?

Adanisi ,
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"KDE is for kids"

No, KDE is for people who want a desktop which is "Simple by default, powerful when needed". Or people who simply prefer it.

I also like how you compare DE performance and decide KDE is worse than Gnome? Like what? Are you stuck on KDE4?

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5.3 and 5.6 are both ancient :/

I've been running KDE for years.

On a:

  • Thinkpad T400 (2009, 2.3GHz dual core)

  • Toshiba Satellite (2009, 1.2(?)GHz single core)

  • HP Pavilion (unknown year, model, clock speed)

  • Framework 13 (2020, 4.9GHz hexa core)

  • AMD A10-7700K desktop (3.4GHz quad core)

  • AMD Ryzen 3 2200G (3.6GHZ quad core)

With the compositor enabled.

These all ran it smoothly. The only slow part was the loading on some of these machines.

And KDE is absolutely usable by default, it resembles a Windows desktop.

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I personally don't, but it's a standard and Mac/Windows users are very familiar with, and the ability to add them doesn't impact you if you don't want to.

In other words: it's a net-positive.

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KDE Plasma 5.6 is from 2016, genius. It is very old.

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5.27 is the current version Debian is on.

And I've run KDE Plasma on a lot of hardware, a lot of it very old, and it's been fine, if with slightly slow loading times (I daily drove that single-core potato I mentioned for about a year on Plasma).

I'm very sorry it felt sluggish for you but that's likely down to your specific hardware configuration, drivers, GPU vendor + display server combo, etc. Plasma is not that bad for most people. You just got unlucky.

EDIT: Actually, if you actually somehow installed 5.6 on modern Debian with modern Qt frameworks etc, that could be why it was so slow. Could have been a fucked install.

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An integrated GPU isn't great, but it should run alright still. I think I disabled the dedicated GPU on the Thinkpad I was running and it still ran smoothly.

I don't know what your circumstances were with your specific laptop, but to paint KDE as, well, shit, just because it ran badly when you tried it is not cool. Especially in the face of other people who have had fine performance on the slowest of potatoes.

Maybe your CPU's iGPU is a poor bin, maybe you ran up against a bug in something which fucked performance, maybe your HDD was failing or just slow (if it was mechanical), who knows? Point is your one laptop is not representative of all laptops.

Display server = Xorg/Wayland, not the monitor...

Is there any particular reason you felt the need to resort to insults? I like KDE for a reason, because it does what I want and it runs well. I'm not blindly devoted to it like it's some kind of religion. Hell, I actually prefer GTK as a library over Qt due to it's C-based nature and I used to daily drive Cinnamon, then MATE.

KDE release nomenclature is also easy. Higher number = newer.

I... know the Plasma 6 release is new? Why is that relevant? We're both talking about Plasma 5, and Plasma 6 is basically just mega-improved Plasma 5 anyways.

You know what, if you want, tomorrow I'll get you a video of Plasma running on my single core 1GHz potato laptop if you like.

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KDE is for kids, GNOME is for Grownups.

Uh huh. No fanboying on your part at all. Projection?

Once again, I will send you a video later today of KDE plasma running on my 1GHz single core potato (a much slower CPU than yours) to prove that Plasma can perform. Hey, maybe I'll also run GNOME on it for you for comparison purposes. Note that I don't inherently have a problem with GNOME, as I don't have the mentality that "KDE is for KGrownups".

Because I feel like with childish statements like the one above, you're not exactly being 100% truthful. But I can back up my argument with evidence.

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KDE Plasma on a laptop whose hardware was crap when it came out in 2009, running fine:

https://drive.proton.me/urls/R5SPEKY1VG#yzKAoNQxSjXc

GNOME, slightly sluggish:

https://drive.proton.me/urls/7JD8899CH8#NlXG8uZpm0Cd

Also just checked out your "computing guide" (which is just a loose collection of info and recommendations more than a guide), and lol'd at this paragraph [brackets mine]:

F(L)OSS means Free (Libre) Open Source software, and it means that the software is freeware [eh, no? FLOSS can be paid], AND the source code that are building blocks of software, are available openly and freely for modification, reverse engineering, compilation and studying purposes. The correct way to say it, as Richard Stallman says, is FLOSS and not FOSS. [I'm fairly sure if you ask Stallman he'll completely reject "Open Source" all together]

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It would at least protect the core parts of the kernel itself

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It stops parts of Linux becoming proprietary, and becoming the dominant version users interact with. Comparisons with other kernels are irrelevant

Adanisi ,
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ext4 has been battle-tested for many years and is very stable. Doesn't have the same fragmentation and data loss issues certain other filesystems like NTFS have.

Adanisi ,
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It takes much longer than half a second on older hardware.

It's a bash script, whereas fastfetch is written in C (I think). The speed increase is absolutely beneficial. Fastfetch finishes near instantly on my old Toshiba Satellite.

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I mean, it's not on their server. It's hosted on dbzer0.

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Why? Have we forgotten what the purpose of an OS is?

A cloud OS is the stupidest thing I've heard this week.

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Which is funny because the only thing really that I see people say that because is the fact that you can't remove freedoms from the program then pass it onto users.

The GPL keeps software free forever. It's more free overall.

The likes of BSD are pushover licenses. They'll let you strip the freedom from them, but that results in the end users getting less or no freedom.

On topic of the original post, I actually make an effort to use more GNU software. I love it, I love the software, I love the philosophy. I want more of that.

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I'm not sure what you mean??

KDE is usable out of the box, and very easy to use.

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I mean, I run basically stock KDE with the dark theme. It seems functional but maybe we just have different ideas of functional?

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Even fsf.org looks better on mobile, and I'm certain the design is quite outdated by now.

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I'm going to advocate for C here: the sheer simplicity, fast compile times, and power it gives you means it's not a bad language, even after all these years. Couple that with the fact that everything supports it.

Rust, while I don't actually know how to write it, seems much more difficult to learn, slower to compile, and if you want to do anything with memory, you have to fight the compiler.

And memory bugs are only a subset of bugs that can be exploited in a program. Pretending Rust means no more exploitation is stupid.

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I've also heard that unsafe Rust is even more dangerous than C. I guess that's probably something to do with the fact that you're always on your toes in C vs Rust? I don't know. But if you need to do any sort of manual memory management you're going to need unsafe Rust.

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Mainly those who imply we should rewrite absolutely everything in Rust.

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The.. programming community?

I might adopt Rust, I have no hard feelings against it, I just like not fighting with the compiler and having the fastest execution possible.

But hey, even Lemmy needs some hot takes to keep it lively.

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Way to necro a thread. This point was made months ago.

Adanisi , (edited )
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So,

This is a proprietary and therefore untrustworthy terminal in a space where virtually all the competition is libre/open source.

It's connected to the cloud, therefore insecure and privacy-invasive as there is no reason for something as basic as a terminal to be connected to the cloud. Who wants their SSH keys leaked? Anyone?

They require an account but don't collect data? Sketchy to say the least, a unique account is the perfect tool to collect data and there is no reason a terminal, the most basic interface to the underlying OS should require an online account. It should be tied to the system. (After further reading, apparently they do collect data by default).

It has a built-in AI autocomplete, because apparently normal auto complete isn't good enough (just wait until it tells you to rm -rf /*).

Yeah, no matter how nice it is, I will never accept this terminal.

EDIT: They also forked Alacritty to create a "demo", they took advantage of a libre/open source project for their proprietary terminal and never did so much as thank the authors of Alacritty. That's scummy.

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Because it requires you to sign in with the cloud and bloated

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Because Docker, a complex program most users will never use, has a long install process?

If I posted the long setup instructions for it on Windows, would you tell me Windows mass adoption is never coming?

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No they don't lol

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Except, no they're not. Not anymore.

How performant are the Intel Arc GPUs in linux?

I saw the other day about the new video of Hardware Unboxed where they benchmarked the Intel GPUs with newer drivers on Windows. I'm also interested in buying one but I'd like to know how good they are on Linux. Since the GPUs will be using Vulkan renderer on Linux, I was hoping they would be better overall, or rather have a...

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Intel is Israeli? I thought they were an American company?

Either way just get a second hand Intel CPU if you want Intel and don't need the latest and greatest.

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I've made a few code contributions, but most of the time I'm working on my own (also libre) projects or procrastinating.

I'm also a member of the FSF so I guess those membership dues also count?

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No such thing as too often :)

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I'm going to go against the grain and say that the Nix and Guix package managers are very good, but they really belong in their respective distros where they're a core part of the system. That'd be Guix System for Guix and NixOS for Nix.

They may have advantages for a foreign distro too, but they are lesser (Guix System can boot into a backup of the system before the last update, for example, but that advantage doesn't exist on, say, Debian.

Also, can we agree to not recommend these systems to new users for the time being? While they're very powerful, they're absolutely designed for power users, and until they're more polished and they have fancy GUIs and stuff for installation and package management, I think it'd be best to keep recommending normal distros like Debian for now.

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No, nobody did mention it, I was just making a side-point.

I also said there are advantages to Guix/Nix on foreign distros.

Adanisi ,
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I think you posted this in the wrong place

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I personally don't really like it, since it sidesteps what is supposed to be the all-in-one package manager for the system, and integration can be poor.

It's an alright idea, but I like the native package managers better. We're not Windows, we don't need so many different places to download our stuff.

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You definitely can. "Free" refers to the freedom of the users, not the freedom of people who might want to be users (that doesn't even really make sense, how can you provide the freedoms to people who don't even use the program?).

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Yes, the users can redistribute however they like. That doesn't stop you charging an initial fee (and most people would probably rather get software from the official source)

Adanisi ,
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But do they ignore existing implementations of a feature when they want to add that feature? And make it crappier when federated?

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